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Title: A dad that needs some advice from the gurus.
Post by: Teflon Mayorga on December 24, 2017, 12:13:46 AM
Hello. New member long time reader.lol
Im going to try and make a very long story short.lol
Im 36 I got into astronomy as a kid.
I have 6. . lol. .
My previous meade ds 2114?  Goto gave up the ghost and the starfinder ds6?  Is in disrepair.
I had the 114 pointed towards the moon by manually pushing it and the children loved it.
Heres my delemia, 6 children equals tight....very tight. .  Budget I want a range that can monitor and I want it large enough to really enjoy the rings of saturn or the bands on jupiter.
I know a 6 inch will do so because I remember looking through my old one but would prefer some possibly just a bit larger such as a inch.
I understand how the eyepiece correlates with the fl to give magnificatio and I would like the planets to look a little larger than a cpl mm across.  My old 6inch the images were miniature and my understanding then was incredibly limited I had been using the affordable.9" eypieces.  I recently purchased a coulple 1.25" in anticipation of showing them the nighttime sky.
Im just throwing all of this info out hoping someone can give me some guidance.
Id like to remain under $600 (less is better.lol) I understand you get what you purchase this im not setting my hopes to high.lol.
Ive tried to find an old meade ds 8 or 10 on a stone but they seem to all be gone.lol.
Ive tried looking at some of the direct from china stoves but uncertain of quality.  Ioptron. .  Hope I spelled that right... Seems decent, the goto will be benificial particularly if the children wanted to set this up and I had been at work or whatnot but I want them to learn how to level an extent and then align it with polaris...
Ok im done ranting...lol. .
Thanks for your time and thank you for letting me be here with yall...
Title: Re: A dad that needs some advice from the gurus.
Post by: carmiphypart on December 30, 2017, 09:16:12 AM
Check out the Celestron SLT 130. It should run you about $400'ish. A quick search on eBay returned several options.

http://www.ebay.com/...lt 130&_sacat=0 (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR11.TRC4.A0.H0.Xcelestron+slt+130.TRS1&_nkw=celestron+slt+130&_sacat=0)

I've owned the Meade DS mounts and have found the SLT mounts to be superior in performance and durability. The DS mounts use nylon gears all around. In spite of the fact that the DS mounts use a worm (again, nylon), they still don't track as well as the SLT mounts with somewhat rough cut metal spur gears.

I use the SLT mounts for outreach (especially solar) and have had great experiences with them. They stand up well to rough handling by kids, track on an object all night long, are very portable, and super quick to set up, especially if you use the Solar System Alignment option that can be done on the Sun, moon, and visible planets.

If you can afford an extra $80 or so for the SkyPortal module, you can use the mount with SkySafari on your iDevice or Android device. I find that kids today are much more receptive when I'm using an app on my tablet to control my scope and show them all the details about what they're seeing in the eyepiece.

Hope this helps.

-Steve
Title: Re: A dad that needs some advice from the gurus.
Post by: ndesevtenzio on January 03, 2018, 10:17:50 PM
Hmm
6SE from a good ratings CN User for $500

http://www.cloudynig...-celestron-6se/ (http://www.cloudynights.com/classifieds/item/86106-celestron-6se/)

I also heard where a guy bought a used 8SE for under $750 recently
Title: Re: A dad that needs some advice from the gurus.
Post by: Eric Graf on January 04, 2018, 09:14:29 PM
Hell yeah. Jump on that 6SE.
Title: Re: A dad that needs some advice from the gurus.
Post by: Ivan Kim on January 08, 2018, 05:38:17 PM
Keep in mind that a 6" f/5 reflector has a focal length of only 650mm. The eyepieces supplied with the Celestron telescope will produce only 26 (25mm) and 72x (9mm). Jupiter and Saturn will appear fairly small through an eyepiece at less than 200x. Such a magnification will require a 3x Barlow lens and the 9mm, a 2x Barlow lens and a shorter focal length eyepiece, or a very short focal length eyepiece. Short focal length eyepieces usually have little eye relief.

https://www.astronom...e-relief_t.aspx (https://www.astronomics.com/eye-relief_t.aspx)

Dave Mitsky
Title: Re: A dad that needs some advice from the gurus.
Post by: Alex Loftus on January 09, 2018, 07:40:53 PM
If we wanted to do some pictures (i think maybe it could be neat for science class and just showing their friends) can these scopes produce decent photos?
Title: Re: A dad that needs some advice from the gurus.
Post by: trualolalun on January 10, 2018, 04:00:14 PM
Is there any reason you are avoiding an eight inch dob?

Unless you need goto, or tracking, a Dob is by far the best bang for the buck.

Alex
Title: Re: A dad that needs some advice from the gurus.
Post by: justgegentcal on January 11, 2018, 08:56:13 AM
Alex. I was thinking tracking so the kids can use their moms camera and take pictures. I looked at the zuhmell z10 and 12 i believe which seem like excellent deals
Title: Re: A dad that needs some advice from the gurus.
Post by: imasatex on January 12, 2018, 02:00:52 AM
I third the idea of that 6SE...

If you want new, our host here - Astonomics - has the 5" Maksutov Cassegrain with full computerized Goto:
https://www.astronom...ope_p18624.aspx (https://www.astronomics.com/celestron-nexstar-127slt-127mm-go-to-mak-telescope_p18624.aspx)

for $529. It comes with 25 and 9mm EP's, so spending about 40 bucks more on a Barlow gives you 25, 12.5, 9, and 4.5 EP's, though 4.5 is pushing it for that scope.

A Mak-Cass with give you glorious planetary views, can handle enough DSO's to keep everyone happy, and will do AP nicely.

But I'd still jump on that 6SE. That's a LOT of scope for the money. It does everything good.

..Joe
Title: Re: A dad that needs some advice from the gurus.
Post by: malphandrafsadd on January 12, 2018, 10:28:50 AM
I am speaking with the owner. Still need the bosses approval...lol... She is the chief....
Just had to pick up a few pairs of glasses... 3 of them amd both of us wear glasses...lol... So we will see...lol
Title: Re: A dad that needs some advice from the gurus.
Post by: deschwobbmettgod on January 13, 2018, 05:45:54 AM
Is that se a maksutov?
Guys please forgive my ingnorance. All i knew when i was younger was reflectors and refractors..lol.

Im very grateful to yall for all this advice... It is greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: A dad that needs some advice from the gurus.
Post by: redsmicsiti on January 13, 2018, 11:48:55 PM
I'm guessing by your username you are in Omaha Nebraska?

http://ames.craigsli...5743966401.html (http://ames.craigslist.org/for/5743966401.html)
Title: Re: A dad that needs some advice from the gurus.
Post by: unllamerblood on January 15, 2018, 05:53:41 PM
Close..lol.. Council bluffs.. Grew up in omaha Though..lol
Title: Re: A dad that needs some advice from the gurus.
Post by: Tyson Conway on January 22, 2018, 11:22:24 PM
I inquired but its already gone.lol
Title: Re: A dad that needs some advice from the gurus.
Post by: Francisco Hossain on January 23, 2018, 04:23:59 AM
The 6SE is a 6" Schmidt Cassegrain. The 127 SLT I posted is a 5" (127mm) Maksutov Cassegrain.

They're similar, but different. Generally, the Maks (MCTs) will have a little longer focal length - but generally smaller apertures - for their mirror than the Schmidts (SCTs), but their designs are both still that of a reflector: it's just how they control the light and where they reflect it TO that's different.

The MCTs have a Meniscus up front, and the glass itself is silvered for the secondary; the SCT's have a corrector plate up front and have a separate mirror. The front lenses are to correct for aberrations.

Others of similar type are Dall-Kirkham and Ritchey–Chrétien telescopes.

Head spinning yet?

Don't worry: It gets worse...

 

..Joe
Title: Re: A dad that needs some advice from the gurus.
Post by: Jeff Jubenville on January 25, 2018, 05:21:55 PM
Celestron xlt 150 might fill the bill. There are simple ra motors around 40.00 for this scope.
To mount an 8 inch scope with tracking takes a big mount maybe a cg5 class
https://astronomics....ope_p13753.aspx (https://astronomics.com/celestron-6-inch-omni-xlt-150-reflector-telescope_p13753.aspx). 

To me Mak scopes have too narrow a field of view. Good for moon and planets, hard to use for sweeping and big things like the Pleiades.
Title: Re: A dad that needs some advice from the gurus.
Post by: napephona on January 25, 2018, 07:17:03 PM
Thanks joe.....lol.. Head is spinning...
Title: Re: A dad that needs some advice from the gurus.
Post by: Daniel Horton on January 31, 2018, 12:40:16 AM
Other places to look for good deals is on the "used" sections of dealers sites. In some cases these are either demo units or where a customer returned something because of something simple to repair or just because they did not want it and he dealer had a great return policy (like Bed Bath and Beyond  )

Opt Corp, B&H, Woodland Hills and Highpoint all have good used gear programs

Jon
Title: Re: A dad that needs some advice from the gurus.
Post by: Mohamed Wiest on January 31, 2018, 01:24:13 AM
What about a cheap refractor and a Video Astronomy kit? You will be seeing colour and detail in the nebulosity in near realtime, only seconds. And the kids could record and edit the session for science class, or do some post-processing. There is a good thread 'EAA for dummies' in the Electronically Assisted Astronomy forum at the moment.

xTripodx
Title: Re: A dad that needs some advice from the gurus.
Post by: acoplochop on February 02, 2018, 03:47:57 PM
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What about a cheap refractor and a Video Astronomy kit? You will be seeing colour and detail in the nebulosity in near realtime, only seconds. And the kids could record and edit the session for science class, or do some post-processing. There is a good thread 'EAA for dummies' in the Electronically Assisted Astronomy at the moment.

xTripodx

Hi, I'm interested in this. Is there a primer for this? What is the bare minimum I need to get my feet wet?
Title: Re: A dad that needs some advice from the gurus.
Post by: tersrhythopes on February 08, 2018, 05:30:57 PM
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What about a cheap refractor and a Video Astronomy kit? You will be seeing colour and detail in the nebulosity in near realtime, only seconds. And the kids could record and edit the session for science class, or do some post-processing. There is a good thread 'EAA for dummies' in the Electronically Assisted Astronomy at the moment.

xTripodx

Hi, I'm interested in this. Is there a primer for this? What is the bare minimum I need to get my feet wet?
G'day, as mentioned above, there is a forum for EAA in the forums menu page, just below Refractor forum i think.

A thread was just started a few days ago, 'Help, EAA for dummies'. Plenty of good info in simple terms for people interested.

I cant paste a link, using phone for Internet atm. Should be 7 or 8 lines below the Begginers forum.

See you there, xTripodx
Title: Re: A dad that needs some advice from the gurus.
Post by: Devon Dank on February 09, 2018, 06:28:36 AM
It's much easier to chose a scope without tracking and which is used for visual views only.
8 to 10 inch Newtonian on a Dob mount.
Spend any future extra cash on long eye relief eyepieces and maybe a OIII or UHC filter Telrad etc.
You'll want to observe Deep Sky Objects so I'd lean more towards the basic 10 f5 Dob which could last you many years.

Sam
Title: Re: A dad that needs some advice from the gurus.
Post by: rackramasca on February 09, 2018, 10:18:16 AM
Father of three boys here. Get something you are comfortable with them using themselves. Looking at things you've found gets boring fast. The reward of finding and seeing an object themselves makes a much more significant impression.