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Brandon Hughes

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« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2018, 06:36:02 PM »
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But tell me, was it an urban myth or was it true that the Explorer satellite survived the launch rocket explosion and carried on bleeping for a while after ?
I think a myth ???
Apparently it's true, at least according to my quick Google searches just now."The satellite was blasted off the top of the rocket where it landed in bushes near the pad and began transmitting signals, leading to New York Journal-American columnist Dorothy Kilgallen remarking "Why doesn't somebody go out there, find it, and shoot it?" The American press called it Kaputnik."

http://en.wikipedia....nguard_(rocket)  (Yeah, I know, it's Wikipedia).However, there is also this:

Columnist Dorothy Kilgallen asked, "Why doesn't somebody go out there, find it, and kill it?"

From the book Project Vanguard: The NASA History by Constance McLaughlin Green, Milton Lomask, Courier Dover Publications, Apr 19, 2012

http://books.google....anguard&f=false

Cheers!

-Bob F.

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« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2018, 10:11:12 PM »
"find it, and shoot it"
Awwww poor thing !!! I had not heard that one, lol!
Thanks for those finds, brill. ! So my old brain cell wasnt so far out after all

Actually Eisenhower had nothing to worry about, he was over-sensitive, the American space program won huge plaudits etc for conducting things in the open.
The others suffered years of sniggers and disbelief for their secrecy and bul***.

Grant Buchanan

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« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2018, 03:00:44 AM »
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Anyone can explain to me why Vangaurd is in the title? Does it have something to do with astronomy ?
Vanguard was an early rocket / launch vehicle for the United States.See:http://www.spaceline...m/vanguard.html
Vanguard TV3 - Failed Rocket Launch - December 6, 1957
https://www.youtube....h?v=zVeFkakURXM

"Vanguard TV-3, carrying a tiny 3.25-pound, 6.4-inch diameter spherical tracking satellite made of aluminum, exploded on Cape Canaveral Launch Pad 18A just seconds after it was launched on December 6, 1957. The first U.S. attempt to launch a satellite had failed dramatically before the eyes of the world."Hey, I was alive way back then! I was only 3, though.

-Bob F.
Thanks, Bob. I was a kid too when this happened. I never paid attention on this kid of stuff when I was more interested in playing with my friends in the woods.

David Reynolds

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« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2018, 03:13:53 AM »
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At the risk of starting another conspiracy theory !! (well it is cloudy outside and I've read all the 'scope literature and still cant decide on which one to buy next, so my mind is wandering  ) :-

Quoting myself above unbidden out of the dark corners of my old brain cell I made ref to " the Explorer satellite".

Bob then kindly supplied a link to <a href="">http://en.wikipedia....nguard_(rocket[/url]) in which it is said :

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"The Vanguard rocket[1] was intended to be the first launch vehicle the United States would use to place a satellite into orbit. Instead, the Sputnik crisis caused by the surprise launch of Sputnik 1 led the U.S.,after the failure of Vanguard TV3, to quickly orbit the Explorer 1 satellite using a Juno I rocket,
So am I mis-understanding or has history been re-written ? - - that the first Explorer was on a (later) Juno launch ?
ie. was "my" Explorer that rolled across the launch site written out of history as a named but failed satellite ? !

Was this the start of the convention to only name satellites when they were sucessfully injected into orbit, ie. at final burn ( final successful deltaV ) ?

James Schaefer

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« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2018, 06:02:46 AM »
Yeah, from what I've been reading for the last several minutes, it seems that the satellite on board Vanguard TV-3 didn't have a name from what I can tell.

And, yes, the Explorer 1 satellite was launched by a Juno rocket. (NASA's history website calls it a Jupiter-C aka Juno-1.)

See: http://history.nasa....ik/expinfo.html
<p class="citation">QuoteCorncrake, on 04 Sept 2014 - 3:48 PM, said:
 Was this the start of the convention to only name satellites when they were sucessfully injected into orbit, ie. at final burn ( final successful deltaV ) ?
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Frankly, I don't know. And, I couldn't locate anything about it after doing a little searching just now.

-Bob F.

Zachary Tenk

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« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2018, 08:43:34 AM »
What post did I miss? The question was "How do you get a Member Title". No where in post #6 did it say Member. Then everything went crazy to me.

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« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2018, 12:01:21 AM »
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What post did I miss? The question was "How do you get a Member Title". No where in post #6 did it say Member. Then everything went crazy to me.

I'm not sure I follow you.... Post #6 simply lists the member titles used here and their meanings (regarding post counts) in reply to the OP.

Forum member schang did ask:<p class="citation">Quoteschang, on 03 Sept 2014 - 11:37 AM, said:

Anyone can explain to me why Vangaurd is in the title? Does it have something to do with astronomy ?
[/quote]I replied to him with an answer to his question.

Corncrake and I have just been simply discussing the history of "Vanguard" a little. Heck, we're just discussing the meaning and history behind one of the member titles (ranks).  What's wrong with that? IMHO, I think that's fairly on topic if not very strictly so. Besides, there probably were / are other members here that didn't know the meaning and history behind "Vanguard".

-Bob F.

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« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2018, 03:37:05 PM »
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it seems that the satellite on board Vanguard TV-3 didn't have a name from what I can tell.

Good morning all.
Yes Bob that is what I am reading as well, but I am thinking that it must have been called Explorer at the time of the Vanguard crash, else that name would not have been in the dark and ancient recesses of my brain, if you see what I mean.

Thanks for your interesting findings and comments,
but I see that the natives are revolting,
so I'm out of here.

Michael Timmons

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« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2018, 12:40:05 AM »
I'm kinda bummed there's no "Crater Creature" for our lunar viewing friends....

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« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2018, 11:46:10 PM »
There is at least 1 person that I've seen, His title is "Member". Not Sputnik or Voyager 1. It's "Member". I can't remember who it was though.
Just like Scott in NC his member title is "80mm Refractor Fanatic". That's not in the list.

Ryan Hernandez

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« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2018, 02:02:49 AM »
Ya. If you're "in the clique" you can get a cool title.

Dave Fair

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« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2018, 03:17:49 AM »
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So where does "Eyepiece Hooligan" come from????
kalifornia, stay happy my friend.

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« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2018, 11:37:22 AM »
In regard to the early Earth satellites "Vanguard" and "Explorer", the situation played out as follows. Being in the hobby throughout that era I recall events very clearly.

Vanguard was the name of the long pre-planned American program to launch the first Earth satellite in conjunction with the great IGY, the rocket launch vehicle itself being purposely non-military and supposedly civilian in nature and a completely new design (although involving the Navy) to reflect the civilian-science goals of the IGY. To my mind it was of rather questionable design choice for the period and had not tested well. With the unanticipated launches of Sputnik 1 and 2 - which folks today cannot appreciate the magnitude of the impact which they had on the U.S. public's mind at the time - the Vanguard program was rushed forward to the launch stage in hopes of demonstrating that we could put a satellite in orbit too. The satellite itself had the same name as the program. I vividly recall watching the brief lift-off and utter failure live on TV.

Explorer was unveiled very shortly thereafter by vonBraun and his team as a 90 day crash project, this time employing a proven Army rocket in the form of a modified Redstone, as should have been the case all along. The name Explorer was assigned specifically to the satellite. The launch vehicle AT THE TIME OF THE EVENT was referred to universally by the media as the Jupiter-C and was composed of a Redstone topped by a cluster of Sergeant rockets, not as Juno 1 as re-written history seems to imply today.

BrooksObs

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« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2018, 12:15:39 PM »
Brooks,

An excellent summary. Thanks for that. It cleared up some details for me.

Cheers!
-Bob F.

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« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2018, 08:14:11 PM »
I could care less about the title. I didn't know where it came from until someone posted the list the other day. I am also the proud bearer of a zero star rating. Once again, could care less.