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Jim Snyder

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Re: My first Telescope.
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2018, 09:20:49 PM »
Also,The 8-900$ is for the scope only, but I don't have any more money for accessories.I will rely on the supplied accessories of the scope until I have enough to buy a basic set!

Thanks again!

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Re: My first Telescope.
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2018, 01:17:09 PM »
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Hi guys,
I am new here,but have been searching for my telescope for about 4-5 months.I know almost everything abut astronomy except for my actual telescope.My budget is from around 800-900$.So far I have narrowed it down to 4 choices.I want to observe DSO's with some occasional planets and moon thrown in.I live in the suburbs,but can see all the major constellations,and some DSO's with my 10x25 binoculars.
Here it is:
A Orion XT10 plus- http://www.telescope...s?keyword=XT10#

A Zhumell Z12-https://www.telescop...CFQYyaQodnmULawA Orion 8" reflector with a EQ mount-http://www.telescope...CFRmewAod1N4Pcg

And finally a 8" Schmidt-Cassegrain OTA-http://www.highpoint...4idgD6YhvUvRoCR(with a mount of course)

Portability and weight is not a problem since I am a teenager,and my parents have a car.My main questions are-
1.Further on when I buy OTA's I will need a mount,so is buying one now worth it?
2.How major of a difference is it between a 10" and a 12"?And why is the jump up way costlier?
3.How big is a 12" reflector if you have one?
4.How reliable is Zhumell?I heard a lot of good things about this brand but It is hands down It comes with accessories that don't come unless you pay more.Sorry,but I kind of want this coming from a Zhumell owner.

That's is mostly all my questions and concernes. Thanks!

Dude,, how strong is your back? The stronger your back,,, the more you will see !!! I have owned 3in. to 20in. scopes and almost everything in between. If you are not very strong, just get a 8in. or maybe a 10in. dob. ,,,,, 12in. scopes are heavy and hard to move. You won't use it much if you have a hard time moving it.

Welcome to the hobby,, nice to have you onboard !!

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Re: My first Telescope.
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2018, 01:19:27 PM »
Rollo[/url]Thanks a lot!

If it answer's your question I consider my body strong, which extend's to my back. I'm not bragging or anything, it's just I consider myself strong.I can probably lift >100 lb in dead weight(picking it and setting it up).

Thanks for your opinion!

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Re: My first Telescope.
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2018, 02:28:30 PM »
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The 12" is a monster. I loved mine. This is a picture of me and my old 12" Orion which is the same size as the Z12.

Now not to bash you or your Orion, but pictures of 12 inch solid tubes like this, are definitely the reason I steered clear from buying one. I just could not transport it, Id need a van or truck. Many people do, and its not issue, but that looks insanely big, like a serious water heater. I could never see my self taking it on like a road trip or something, or a longer distance multi day trip.
Was it a real hassle? Im sure it threw up great images
I used to transport my 12" in a Toyata Camry. The carry bag from Orion made it a lot easier to move the scope. I truly miss it.

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Re: My first Telescope.
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2018, 08:32:52 PM »
I'll answer this 'in quote' as it were. My replies will be in Blue.
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GaryCurran,Thanks a lot for the information!

As I said i my last post, regarding about the phrase that I used,I could have worded it a bit differently.I am implying that I know the basics of astronomy,and I figured that in the "beginner's" Forum,most of the thread starters DON'T know much about astronomy, for why else would they be starting a thread.Sorry for the confusion.

I saw that in your second post, but it just reinforces that there is so much to know and so much to learn. Don't worry about it, I know what you are talking about, and you'll be fine

I do know that the images won't be "Hubble-like" images, but that simulation website really helped me out!

It's why I showed it to you. My first telescope was a 5" Mak Cass on a crappy EQ-3 mount, but when I turned it on M42, I could see the slightest tinges of color in the grey, but that is a pretty large, and bright object. It was also in a pretty dark spot. At that, I was in a yellow zone. Being in a red zone is not going to help you find things.

I have mentioned what I wanted to observe,but i'll clarify it further:
Galaxies
nebulae
binary systems
Planets
And mabye later on the Sun,but not right now.

There is a lot of observing in that list, and it will take you a lifetime. This is the reason I still am recommending the 6SE, it gives you enough of this and not too much of that, and makes a nice all around telescope for visual use. You will see galaxies, and nebulae, and you'll easily split stars with it, and your planetary views should be pretty nice with a good eyepiece. As to the sun, of course, all the standard warnings apply, but one day I'd like to do a little solar observing, too.

My parents are willing to support my ambitions,even if It means to drive and pick me up.They are the best.

Good! Supportive parents mean a lot.

I will check if I have space for the scope's I mentioned, because so far nobody has mentioned the length of a 12" or a 10",but I think I have the space.Thanks to you of course!

As I said, the 10" has a tube length of four feet, that's from Orion's website. For the 12", 1500mm, the focal length of the telescope, translates into just about 5', and the actual OTA will be longer than that. We aren't supposed to post photos that aren't our own on this site, so I'll give you this link instead. Scroll down the page, and about the fifth photo down is a gentleman standing next to is Z12.

http://www.asliclub....Telescopes.html

I like the telescope choices,except there really is one problem.I've been saving money for something this big,and I very likley won't have 8-900$ until my job in the future.So that is the reason I want the biggest aperture possible, so it will keep me busy.I was actually saving money to buy the Celestron Nextstar 6se,But once I reached the goal,I realized I might as well keep on saving for a couple more months(5 exactly).

In certain cases, Go Big or Go Home applies. Not in your situation. What you want to be looking for is the most bang for the buck. For visual use, an intermediate sized telescope, somewhere between 1200 and 1600mm that is lightweight, easy to pack and move, and particularly in a yellow/orange or brighter environment.one with a GoTo capability, will be easier to get out, set up, cool down and use. I'm really not kidding when I talk about taking out 100 pounds of telescope gear and then waiting for it to cool down, set up, tear down etc. Ask these people, particularly those who own multiple scopes, which is their goto scope (not GoTo, although that may apply). Which scope do they grab when they want to have a nice, leisurely view of the heavens. The answer will almost always come back as a lightweight, east to transport or assemble scope. Somebody may have a 16" Obsession Dob, absolutely wonderful, but ask them if they drag it out for casual use.

Thanks a lot!

I hope that answers some of your questions. Really, when we give you advice here, it isn't because you are new, and we want to pull the wool over your eyes. There are other sites you can go to that look down their noses at beginners, Cloudy Nights isn't one of them. We really DO want you to have the best experience you can, and people here have tons of experience, and quite honestly, a vested interest in people like YOU! You're young, your excited, and you are our future of astronomy. So, we aren't going to steer you wrong.

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Re: My first Telescope.
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2018, 09:06:12 PM »
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Rollo[/url]Thanks a lot!

If it answer's your question I consider my body strong, which extend's to my back. I'm not bragging or anything, it's just I consider myself strong.I can probably lift >100 lb in dead weight(picking it and setting it up).

Thanks for your opinion!

That's great man,, glad to hear that your strong ! You will be able to see a lot of really cool stuff with a 12in. scope for sure.

Gary is right,, we need young guys like you in the hobby !! You are our future and give us hope also.

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Re: My first Telescope.
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2018, 11:29:59 PM »
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Whoa,I was not expecting responses that fast!

I'll answer some questions that I know.
1.I am under 16,so no I will not be able to drive until 2-3 yrs later.
2.I don't want go-to or tracking,but that being said I live in the "red" zone in light pollution maps,so I might need it.I don't like the extra money being spent on computers when it can be spent on aperture and/or accessories.
3.I live from "dark" skies about 1-2 hours.
4.I don't want to take photographs( for now)
5.And I do have a sky chart,red flashlight,and a Cheshire collimater early on when I had some money.

Thanks a Lot to all of you,but especiallygitane71 andStarkid2u.

Starkid2u I'll keep in mind what you said,I could have worded it a bit differently!

I have ONE more question.

What would you guys recommend as a good beginning scope?These are my personal choices,but i'm always open to new ideas,and I want to hear from more experienced astronomers about what they recommend.I don't want something TOO small though!

And finally a BIG thanks to the guys/girls who responded!

How about an Orion Astroview 6 Equatorial Reflector Telescope. 6 inches of reflector scope for only $449. Check out OPT (optcorp.com) or Orion's website. One other option is the Orion Skyview Pro 8" EQ reflector at $699. 8 inches to really get you going. They are both manual tracking, like dobs, however, plus you sometimes have to rotate the tubes to get a comfortable seeing position. Why do I keep recommending reflector type scopes, you ask? Glad you asked. Because you want the most bang for your buck and reflectors provide that. Refractors are for when you grow up and have a decent paying job. That's a good start and will leave plenty to spend on accessories. Of course, that's another thread altogether...
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Re: My first Telescope.
« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2018, 10:11:36 PM »
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Rollo Thanks a lot!
If it answer's your question I consider my body strong, which extend's to my back. I'm not bragging or anything, it's just I consider myself strong.I can probably lift >100 lb in dead weight(picking it and setting it up).
Thanks for your opinion!

Take care of that back. Once they start going bad, it's all down hill.

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Re: My first Telescope.
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2018, 04:16:12 AM »
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One other option is the Orion Skyview Pro 8" EQ reflector at $699. 8 inches to really get you going.
STARKID2U
If you'll notice, this very scope is one of the ones he originally posted. Personally, I think it's a BIG mistake, Not for the OTA, that would be a great scope, with a 1000mm FL and a 203mm aperture. No, what bothers me is the SkyView Pro mount. You are putting a 16.5 pound OTA on a mount meant for 20 pounds. Call that my imaging side, but that doesn't leave you a whole lot of wiggle room once you start adding eyepieces, finder scopes, Barlows and any number of other options that we like to hang off of our telescopes, including a camera

Put that scope on an AVX, EXOS-2GT, EXOS-2 with PMC 8, or an Orion Sirius and I'll be behind you 100%. Not with the SkyView Pro.

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Re: My first Telescope.
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2018, 02:15:20 AM »
Master of the Skies, im not sure if you looked at this in the past but the Skywatcher does come with a single speed Crawford. So don't count them out yet!

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Re: My first Telescope.
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2018, 06:22:27 AM »
I'm not into dso's myself but if thats what your into a 8 or 10 inch dob will show you a lot for your money. Save at least $100 for some eyepieces. That will get you 3 at 30 each. You are gonna want more than 1, trust me.

Forget the gem mount, thats not what you want for dso hunting, and not great for big newts in general.

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Re: My first Telescope.
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2018, 07:03:10 AM »
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I'm not into dso's myself but if thats what your into a 8 or 10 inch dob will show you a lot for your money. Save at least $100 for some eyepieces. That will get you 3 at 30 each. You are gonna want more than 1, trust me.

Forget the gem mount, thats not what you want for dso hunting, and not great for big newts in general.

Why would you say that a GEM isn't for DSO hunting? Actually, I think it's probably one of the best things you can do, since even with manual hand controls, if the mount is polar aligned, keeping the DSO in the eyepiece is as simple as rotating one knob. Add a two-axis motor drive, and you don't even have to do that. More time looking AT the DSO then trying to keep it in the eyepiece!

Also, $30 eyepieces? Yeah, I guess, if you don't really care that much about them. But, getting something a little better than the bargain basement Plossls will go a long way towards increasing your enjoyment of the night sky.

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Re: My first Telescope.
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2018, 05:59:52 PM »
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One other option is the Orion Skyview Pro 8" EQ reflector at $699. 8 inches to really get you going.
STARKID2U
If you'll notice, this very scope is one of the ones he originally posted. Personally, I think it's a BIG mistake, Not for the OTA, that would be a great scope, with a 1000mm FL and a 203mm aperture. No, what bothers me is the SkyView Pro mount. You are putting a 16.5 pound OTA on a scope meant for 20 pounds. Call that my imaging side, but that doesn't leave you a whole lot of wiggle room once you start adding eyepieces, finder scopes, Barlows and any number of other options that we like to hang off of our telescopes, including a camera

Put that scope on an AVX, EXOS-2GT, EXOS-2 with PMC 8, or an Orion Sirius and I'll be behind you 100%. Not with the SkyView Pro.
Sorry, I missed that one. He was asking for BEGINNER scopes. That's what I came up with. I'm sure there are others, too, but I'm not going to spend all night looking around for them. If you do, more power to you. Your Celestron suggestions would work just as well, I suppose, but they run him right to the limit financially; $899, leaving him "no wiggle room" for accessories of any kind. Really, Gary? C'mon now, you can do better that that, I'm sure. If it were me, for that money, I'd wait until a 6-8 inch SCT popped up here in the Classifieds. Then he could have the scope he wants AND have a couple of bucks left over for accessories. Just a thought....STARKID2U

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Re: My first Telescope.
« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2018, 04:20:07 AM »
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One other option is the Orion Skyview Pro 8" EQ reflector at $699. 8 inches to really get you going.
STARKID2U
If you'll notice, this very scope is one of the ones he originally posted. Personally, I think it's a BIG mistake, Not for the OTA, that would be a great scope, with a 1000mm FL and a 203mm aperture. No, what bothers me is the SkyView Pro mount. You are putting a 16.5 pound OTA on a scope meant for 20 pounds. Call that my imaging side, but that doesn't leave you a whole lot of wiggle room once you start adding eyepieces, finder scopes, Barlows and any number of other options that we like to hang off of our telescopes, including a camera

Put that scope on an AVX, EXOS-2GT, EXOS-2 with PMC 8, or an Orion Sirius and I'll be behind you 100%. Not with the SkyView Pro.
Sorry, I missed that one. He was asking for BEGINNER scopes. That's what I came up with. I'm sure there are others, too, but I'm not going to spend all night looking around for them. If you do, more power to you. Your Celestron suggestions would work just as well, I suppose, but they run him right to the limit financially; $899, leaving him "no wiggle room" for accessories of any kind. Really, Gary? C'mon now, you can do better that that, I'm sure. If it were me, for that money, I'd wait until a 6-8 inch SCT popped up here in the Classifieds. Then he could have the scope he wants AND have a couple of bucks left over for accessories. Just a thought....STARKID2U
Well, yeah, we all know how important accessories are, which is why the SCT I recommended for him comes with an eyepiece kit and a PowerTank. Charge the Tank up, you're ready to go. You don't need anything else RIGHT NOW, and by the time you figure out what you do need, you'll have more money saved up. The OP would be in the same position if he buys the Dobs, at least the 10 and 12" ones.

That's why I suggested what I suggested.

Unfortunately, I DO have the time to look around. I would rather have a job and be working.

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Re: My first Telescope.
« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2018, 11:02:07 AM »
In my Honda Accord, the 4'OTA for my 10" dob rides in the back seat, the base rides shotgun (neither fits in the trunk). The trunk holds the eyepiece and accessory cases, table, chair, cooler of drinks, snacks, etc....this leaves room for me driving...and nobody else. Though I will admit to riding in the trunk as a teenager to sneakinto drive in theaters (before your time). Maybe a 6" f8 dob would work, fit into the trunk, allow for use of cheaper eyepieces, collimate easier, give good views of DSO's and have the reputation of being really, really good planetary/lunar scopes. They're also ideal grabngo for when you can get a bigger scope down the road. A good rule to remember is that good accessories (eyepieces, collimators, chair, flashlight, planespheres, etc...)will cost as much as the scope.