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My introduction and first question
« on: December 29, 2017, 11:37:43 AM »
Hello CNRs, this is my first post. About me- I am very very new to this game and still deciding what type is best for me. I want to (primarily) see planets and deep sky nebulas. I might take some photos but not spend hours processing and capturing them. Now I am stuck between a reflector or a cass.

I also learned that refractors have great contrast but I will have to sell my kidney to buy a decent one. I dont want to spend $1000 today and then 3 months down the line sell it and buy something bigger. Every time I start researching on this topic, I end up more confused.

I am somewhat considering an EQ5 based mount (orion, bressar maede etc) with an 8" cass. Now I found some listings on amazon for 8" OTA for only 499 and I sent email to the seller as instructed and he confirmed the price. Here is what he said:

"The product is BRAND NEW, never used, ( US model, not grey market or refurbished), but Amazon does not let us list it as new. The product is Sealed in its original box and comes with full Warranty, receipt, all manufacturer supplied accessories.
The total price is $499.00 including all shipping taxes, if you are in US, and for international shipping you have to pay extra 29,99 $ (outside US) .
If you want to buy, send me your phone number, full name, shipping address and I will contact Amazon asap to process your order. Dispatch is by normal UPS Services, which takes 1-3 days depending on where in the US you are.
My return policy is full money back in 30 days.
For more information don't hesitate to contact me!"

Have you guys had any experience in buying from such sellers? Is that about right price for aCelestron CGEM II Edge HD Telescope (8" OTA)? If I order it, how do I make sure it is focused and in working order once I receive it? Any other thoughts?



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Re: My introduction and first question
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2017, 01:32:11 PM »
Is this is your first telescope? If so, I'd recommend you don't start with an expensive telescope. Get something that can take abuse, as an Edge HD + CGEM II is a complex instrument that requires practice with GOTOs and EQs. The $100-500 is the bare maximum to a beginner telescope. You'll be frustrated if you don't.

After you learn to use an EQ and a GOTO system, you can buy something like this.

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Re: My introduction and first question
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2017, 03:07:32 AM »
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Hello CNRs, this is my first post. About me- I am very very new to this game and still deciding what type is best for me. I want to (primarily) see planets and deep sky nebulas. I might take some photos but not spend hours processing and capturing them. Now I am stuck between a reflector or a cass.
I also learned that refractors have  great contrast but I will have to sell my kidney to buy a decent one. I dont want to spend $1000 today and then 3 months down the line sell it and buy something bigger. Every time I start researching on this topic, I end up more confused.
I am somewhat considering an EQ5 based mount (orion, bressar maede etc) with an 8" cass. Now I found some listings on amazon for 8" OTA for only 499 and I sent email to the seller as instructed and he confirmed the price. Here is what he said:
"The product is BRAND NEW, never used, ( US model, not grey market or refurbished), but Amazon does not let us list it as new. The product is Sealed in its original box and comes with full Warranty, receipt, all manufacturer supplied accessories.
The total price is $499.00 including all shipping taxes, if you are in US, and for international shipping you have to pay extra 29,99 $ (outside US) .
If you want to buy, send me your phone number, full name, shipping address and I will contact Amazon asap to process your order. Dispatch is by normal UPS Services, which takes 1-3 days depending on where in the US you are.
My return policy is full money back in 30 days.
For more information don't hesitate to contact me!"
Have you guys had any experience in buying from such sellers? Is that about right price for a Celestron CGEM II Edge HD Telescope (8" OTA)? If I order it, how do I make sure it is focused and in working order once I receive it? Any other thoughts?
Welcome.
While there are others that have much more knowledge about the scope I would run from that seller. Amazon does let sellers post new items as new. He doesn't need your information via email if it's being sold through Amazon. Sounds just a little sketchy.
Post the link to the item.
Travis

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Re: My introduction and first question
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2018, 04:58:38 AM »
You might want to find out what brand of 8" OTA it is. From the price, it is probably a Newtonian reflector. In that case, check the focal length. If it is longer than an f/6, it may be
a bit unwieldy for an EQ5 mount.

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Re: My introduction and first question
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2018, 06:35:53 AM »
I just checked and a newCGEM 800 HD Computerized Telescope goes for $2,499.

If the deal sounds too good then it usually is. Run, run fast and run far.

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Re: My introduction and first question
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2018, 05:49:05 AM »
@overnight - Did you mean the ones at walmart ?

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You might want to find out what brand of 8" OTA it is. From the price, it is probably a Newtonian reflector. In that case, check the focal length. If it is longer than an f/6, it may be
a bit unwieldy for an EQ5 mount.

This is the one I am talking about https://www.amazon.c...8&condition=all

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Re: My introduction and first question
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2018, 02:18:46 PM »
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@overnight - Did you mean the ones at walmart ?

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You might want to find out what brand of 8" OTA it is. From the price, it is probably a Newtonian reflector. In that case, check the focal length. If it is longer than an f/6, it may be
a bit unwieldy for an EQ5 mount.

This is the one I am talking about https://www.amazon.c...8&condition=all

No, department store telescopes aren't good choice for anything. Again, this is only if you are a beginner. If you already deep into the hobby and have a couple of telescopes, then this advice isn't for you. If you are looking for your first telescope, spending thousands isn't a good idea. I echo the recommendation that an EQ5 is a bad choice for a 8" EdgeHD.

Get something premium like this:

http://www.telescope...CFQ6dfgodE7gC9A

Or this

http://www.highpoint...CFUlNfgod8qcOwg

or the famous Dobsonians:

https://www.binocula...CFQ2ffgodeOYJvQ

I'd take the Dobsonian, relatively cheap, high quality, easy to use, and give wonderful views.

Mostly serious astrophotographers get expensive GOTO equatorial mounts. Observers tend to go with different types of mounts,

Gary Allen

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Re: My introduction and first question
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2018, 12:54:08 PM »
I see sellers on Amazon all the time that have "just launched" and have zero feedback. They have really low prices and ask that you contact them directly outside of Amazon.com. I suspect they're doing something illegal and will eventually get taken off the web page when Amazon discovers them. Don't give them any information. I don't see this ending well.

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Re: My introduction and first question
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2018, 09:33:00 PM »
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@overnight - Did you mean the ones at walmart ?

<p class="citation">petert913, on 14 Mar 2017 - 05:27 AM, said:<a href="https://www.cloudynights.com/index.php?app=forums&amp;module=forums&amp;section=findpost&amp;pid=7760059" rel="citation">[/url]<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote built" data-author="petert913" data-cid="7760059" data-time="1489462053">

You might want to find out what brand of 8" OTA it is. From the price, it is probably a Newtonian reflector. In that case, check the focal length. If it is longer than an f/6, it may be
a bit unwieldy for an EQ5 mount.

This is the one I am talking about https://www.amazon.c...8&amp;condition=all

No, department store telescopes aren't good choice for anything. Get something premium like this:

http://www.telescope...CFQ6dfgodE7gC9A

Or this

http://www.highpoint...CFUlNfgod8qcOwg
I am in Canada and ordering from the states is kinda complex with all the customs and taxes involved. What do you experts think about buying used like this and is that about the right price for that item?

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Re: My introduction and first question
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2018, 11:47:11 AM »
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@overnight - Did you mean the ones at walmart ?
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You might want to find out what brand of 8" OTA it is.  From the price, it is probably a Newtonian reflector.  In that case, check the focal length.  If it is longer than an  f/6, it may be
a bit unwieldy for an EQ5 mount.
This is the one I am talking about  https://www.amazon.c...8&amp;condition=all

 No way. That store just launched and the biggest red flag is the way they have contact them before you buy.
Travis

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Re: My introduction and first question
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2018, 11:55:14 PM »
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@overnight - Did you mean the ones at walmart ?

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You might want to find out what brand of 8" OTA it is. From the price, it is probably a Newtonian reflector. In that case, check the focal length. If it is longer than an f/6, it may be
a bit unwieldy for an EQ5 mount.

This is the one I am talking about https://www.amazon.c...8&amp;condition=all

Note the seller profile, Just Launched. It could be someone just starting out. Or it could be a scam. I wouldn't buy anything expensive from a seller that just launched. Also, this is the CGEM version so it has the wide dovetail for heavy duty mounts. Basically if you get this scope, you either need to buy an expensive (and heavy) mount, or you need to replace the dovetail. VX version is more what you want. $500 is a very good price for the OTA, usually they sell used for significantly more. Which makes me think it is probably either a scam, or stolen merchandise.

I did just buy something off eBay, but it was from a reputable telescope dealer with thousands of reviews. If you buy from amazon or eBay through a dealer that isn't widely known, you really have to go by the seller profile.

Scott

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Re: My introduction and first question
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2018, 12:07:05 AM »
@overnight
I really liked theOrion StarMax 127mm Equatorial Maksutov-Cassegrain Telescope

Thks

Edit: Is that a good size to see different color bands on jupiter?

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Re: My introduction and first question
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2018, 11:58:05 AM »
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@overnight - Did you mean the ones at walmart ?

<p class="citation">petert913, on 14 Mar 2017 - 05:27 AM, said:<a href="https://www.cloudynights.com/index.php?app=forums&amp;module=forums&amp;section=findpost&amp;pid=7760059" rel="citation">[/url]<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote built" data-author="petert913" data-cid="7760059" data-time="1489462053">

You might want to find out what brand of 8" OTA it is. From the price, it is probably a Newtonian reflector. In that case, check the focal length. If it is longer than an f/6, it may be
a bit unwieldy for an EQ5 mount.

This is the one I am talking about https://www.amazon.c...8&amp;condition=all

No, department store telescopes aren't good choice for anything. Get something premium like this:

http://www.telescope...CFQ6dfgodE7gC9A

Or this

http://www.highpoint...CFUlNfgod8qcOwg[/quote]
I am in Canada and ordering from the states is kinda complex with all the customs and taxes involved. What do you experts think about buying used like this and is that about the right price for that item?[/quote]
That price seems reasonable. But I have heard the F6.3 versions were not as good. Just know it is an old scope.

Scott

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Re: My introduction and first question
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2018, 02:21:24 PM »
Please keep posting advice, its 12am EST and its time to end my research for tonight and sleep. I will check all updates in the morning. Good night all.

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Re: My introduction and first question
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2018, 03:55:56 PM »
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@overnight
I really liked theOrion StarMax 127mm Equatorial Maksutov-Cassegrain Telescope

Thks

Edit: Is that a good size to see different color bands on jupiter?

A Mak should see that kind of detail. To give you an idea of what it can do, here are some images from my 130SLT (which is 3mm bigger, and a Newtonian).That Mak should be able to get better results.

Full disclosure: these images were stacks, and processed with RegiStax 6. Eventually you probably want to do that, as doing so will give you more detail than just visual observing.