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Jerome Fountain

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Re: So my Z12 turned into a Z10
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2018, 03:12:50 PM »
Its in a 10" globs become alive

Its in a 12" m82's notch becomes detailed.

And a 12" doesn't have to be a water heater


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Re: So my Z12 turned into a Z10
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2018, 08:04:38 AM »
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14" would be a worth while upgrade. Delivers just shy of 2x light gathering ability of the 10". Never owned a 10" personally, but having gone from 8" to 12" to 14" always noticed the aperture upgrade as substantial, even from 12" to 14" was very noticeable.BTW I am an "Apertureholic". Beware of catching the "aperture bug".

Stephen.(45deg.S.)

Holy cow! Aperture-holic is maybe a slight understatement, Mr. 33".

A 14 is kind of where I'm leaning towards as to get a worth while jump in light gathering. Trying to stay away from the goto's and computerized scopes as I really am enjoying my Messier hunting and star hopping with the Telrad on the Z10. About the only thing tempting me with the computerized dobs is the tracking ability.

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Re: So my Z12 turned into a Z10
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2018, 01:34:27 AM »
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The views of a 10 inch and a 12 inch are more the same than they are different. I have owned my 10 inch F/5 Dob since 2003. It's never been my biggest scope but it's a favorite and it gets a lot of use.

I think of it as big enough to provide some amazing views but not too big so you're in the water heater business. If your Z-10 had actually been a Z-12, you'd know what I mean.

There's always a bigger scope out there. The key is enjoying what you do have and learning to use it in the most effective possible way. Developing your observing skills by getting out there at every chance you get will make a bigger difference by far than those 2 inch can provide.

Jon
Don't get me wrong, I'm in love with this Z10 and can't seem to get enough time under the stars to satisfy. I swear I got lost for hours when I found M13. I guess I'm just future tripping a little. Thinking I could have the Z10 as my grab n go and perhaps a 14 as my end-all-be-all before jumping into AP someday.

Scott Bentley

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Re: So my Z12 turned into a Z10
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2018, 06:20:25 AM »
You may have experienced a "backhanded favor". You got a reasonable deal instead of a super deal but, you are pleased with the scope. The XT10 is about the max aperture, closed tubed, mass produced Newtonian that will fit into a sedan. I own a closed tube, XT12, and while I don't find it difficult to use it around my home, it does become a production to transport it.

Lauro Mason

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Re: So my Z12 turned into a Z10
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2018, 03:38:30 PM »
Keeping the 10" for grab n go and maybe down the road, jumping to a 14" sounds like a fine plan to me.

Going from 10 to 14 is nearly a 2x jump in light gathering, and you aren't yet into the "scope so big and heavy you don't use it as much" territory.

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Re: So my Z12 turned into a Z10
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2018, 04:21:31 PM »
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You may have experienced a "backhanded favor". You got a reasonable deal instead of a super deal but, you are pleased with the scope. The XT10 is about the max aperture, closed tubed, mass produced Newtonian that will fit into a sedan. I own a closed tube, XT12, and while I don't find it difficult to use it around my home, it does become a production to transport it.

closed tube XT12i, Oberwerk BT45-100 binocs in a large pelican/storm case, tripod for said binocs, stool for binos, astro chair, table for accessoris, aux lounge chair, eyepiece case, accessory case, all fit in a 1990's Volvo 740/940 wagon with room to spare as long as the back seats are folded down.
same load in the back of a Tacoma (which isn't actually any bigger than the Volvo 740/940 wagon!)

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Re: So my Z12 turned into a Z10
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2018, 06:41:50 PM »
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The views of a 10 inch and a 12 inch are more the same than they are different. I have owned my 10 inch F/5 Dob since 2003. It's never been my biggest scope but it's a favorite and it gets a lot of use.

I think of it as big enough to provide some amazing views but not too big so you're in the water heater business. If your Z-10 had actually been a Z-12, you'd know what I mean.

There's always a bigger scope out there. The key is enjoying what you do have and learning to use it in the most effective possible way. Developing your observing skills by getting out there at every chance you get will make a bigger difference by far than those 2 inch can provide.

Jon
Don't get me wrong, I'm in love with this Z10 and can't seem to get enough time under the stars to satisfy. I swear I got lost for hours when I found M13. I guess I'm just future tripping a little. Thinking I could have the Z10 as my grab n go and perhaps a 14 as my end-all-be-all before jumping into AP someday.
Look on the bright side , with a 10in at 5 you can "still " get a 2 degree AFOV thru the thing "relatively " inexpensively with a 30mm-31mm -82 .

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Re: So my Z12 turned into a Z10
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2018, 03:27:00 PM »
and against a truly dark sky, that 2 deg. field with a 6mm exit pupil will be absolutely stunning on things like M31, M42, M8.

David Reynolds

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Re: So my Z12 turned into a Z10
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2018, 05:42:05 PM »
my 12in in the back of my van...

https://www.youtube....h?v=tlb_pfZRY8Q

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Re: So my Z12 turned into a Z10
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2018, 11:45:37 PM »
hey, I'm packing an Obsession 20" plus all stuff needed in my Tacoma now
to whats in there, I can add 2 10x10 popup awnings, several camp chairs, a small buffet table, my eyepiece case, accessory bin, a 5 gallon water jug, a 2000VA DC inverter generator, etc, and be ready for a week at a major star party... the ladder goes on a roof rack now, which makes things easier.  those silver motorcycle ramps are used to get the 20/5 in and out of said pickup

hey, this guy from my club has a 18" truss in his MINICOOPER, along with all his camping gear, tent, etc, PLUS a halpha solar scope on a motorized tripod... https://photos.app.g...bulRqnFQoNq5Iu2


Chris Jiles

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Re: So my Z12 turned into a Z10
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2018, 12:29:39 AM »
here's was my 10in packed for a trip...in the black softshell case

doesn't really take much to ditch the tube and make a truss




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Re: So my Z12 turned into a Z10
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2018, 02:50:25 AM »
did you get a kit, or cut that all yourself?

I know a few folks who've converted older large dobs to ultra-compact truss via www.dobstuff.com kits

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Re: So my Z12 turned into a Z10
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2018, 05:08:37 AM »
You got a great deal. Enjoy it while you learn what a 10" can do. Aperture fever is fake until you know the limits of what your current aperture is. Once you feel you need more to complete that list of Abell planetaries or peculiar galaxies, then go for the aperture needed for that task. Remember, scopes are just tools and if you do not know what you can do with a larger step up, then you are not ready to make the jump. After 6 mos you may decide 10" is enough, or you may decide 12" is too little.

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Re: So my Z12 turned into a Z10
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2018, 10:07:11 AM »
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You got a great deal. Enjoy it while you learn what a 10" can do. Aperture fever is fake until you know the limits of what your current aperture is. Once you feel you need more to complete that list of Abell planetaries or peculiar galaxies, then go for the aperture needed for that task. Remember, scopes are just tools and if you do not know what you can do with a larger step up, then you are not ready to make the jump. After 6 mos you may decide 10" is enough, or you may decide 12" is too little.

That, my friend, is sound advice.

Chuck Johnston

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Re: So my Z12 turned into a Z10
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2018, 04:02:45 PM »
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did you get a kit, or cut that all yourself?
my production facility manager hooked me up