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Jerry Ridl

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Re: Telescope & binoculars for a newbie :)
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2018, 06:39:45 AM »
Keep in mind the fact that the Chinese company Synta (Suzhou Synta Optical Technology Co., Ltd.) manufactures the Dobs sold by Orion, Sky-Watcher, and Celestron*.

https://en.wikipedia...ical_Technology

http://www.skyandtel...ron-sold-again/

* Celestron may not be offering Dobs under its brand name anymore

GSO (Guan Sheng Optical) is the other company that mass produces Dobsonians.

http://www.gs-telescope.com/

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Re: Telescope & binoculars for a newbie :)
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2018, 09:49:54 PM »
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Hello!

@tony_spina: Thank you Tony, I´ll keep the Bushnell Legacy WP as the #1 option for binocular.

@aeajr: Thanks a lot for the elaborate response, appreciate your point of view as you said, everyone has different opinions but it´s important to look for as many POV as possible to try to find the one that´s more similar to my own.

Regarding your questions..

- Experience with astronomy?: I don´t have a lot of experience, I like reading magazines & on the internet, but for now I know very little. I recently bought the book “Astronomy 101: From the sun and moon to wormholes and warp drive, key theories, discoveries, and facts about the universe”, but just started reading it (So far I´ve liked it a lot).

- Friends & club?: To be honest, I don´t have friends that are very interested in astronomy. And I don´t belong to club, but found out there´s one in Tijuana, that´s just 2 hours from where I´m from so I´ll try to meet them.

- Know the local stars & constellations?: About 3 weeks ago, bought a “Guide to the stars” planisphere, so whenever I get out of town, I´m trying to learn & know as much as I can of the stars and constellations.

- Where will you keep your telescope?: I want to keep it in my room.

- How dark are your skies?: Seems like I´m at the brightest part of the color, I attached a screenshot of the map. The positive side is that I don´t have to go too far to get away from the light pollution. (Where the white star is located in the map is the San Pedro Martir Observatory).

- Where will you be observing?: I don´t know how much I´ll be able to see in the city, but will do it mostly out of town. Trying to go camping or 1 day trip to somewhere out of the city, minimum 1 time a month.

- Are you prepared to get to know the charts and maps in order to learn start hoping?: Yes I am, as I mentioned above, I´m trying to use as much as I can the planisphere to know where the local starts and constellations are.

I already ordered the book “Turn left on Orion”, thanks for the recommendation.

Binoculars:

Yesterday an uncle lent me the binoculars he had from a long time ago, they´re the “Tasco sonoma 7-21x40”, tried them at night but couldn´t see much more than with my eyes. Probably not useful for this use. But regarding the options you mention, I´m leaning towards the “Bushnell Legacy WP”, as tony_spina also recommended.

This weekend I´ll try to go out of town with my planisphere and start learning about the sky. Meanwhile, like you said, I´ll keep learning more about telescopes and getting into an astronomy club or finding local people with experience.

The Zhumell Z8 Dobsonian it´s definitely bigger than what I´m looking for, but will keep it as possible option. Like the Tracking Table Top Dob, but I´m looking for a manual telescope, I know it will be harder but can help me learn more about where the celestial objects are located.

About the two Dobs I mentioned, I´m leaning more towards the Orion Starblast 6, and I can also mount it to a tripod. But like some mentioned, I can make a box to transport it and use it to position the Dob higher at a more comfortable level. Thanks for the recommendations in refractors and catadioptic.

I´ll start for now with your recommendation “If you have no astronomy experience, Binos, books, club, learns, then buy scope”.

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Where the arrow is pointing is where I live, Mexicali. And the San Pedro Martir Observatory is located where the white star is.


My comments refer to the bolded items above.

I bought and used the same Planisphere with my binoculars. Still have it and still use it.

TLAO will be a great help.

Anything Tony recommends, in my opinion, is a good choice.
A tracking scope is a manual scope that will track the object and keep it in the eyepiece once YOU find it. This is not GoTo.  Many equatorial mounts have tracking options too. I the case of an EQ mount this is a motor that drives it in Right Ascension. These can also be called clock motors.

This video explains it more fully.  This can also be used with a camera.
https://www.youtube....h?v=LJLWCY92tQo

This is the scope - Also, because it is on a dovetail bar you can move the optical tube to other mounts in the future. It comes with 2 eyepieces and a barlow. This provides 20X, 40X, 50X, 100X magnifications. And you can add eyepieces later. The scope should work well up to about 220X, assuming good conditions.
http://www.telescope...21/p/106875.uts

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Re: Telescope & binoculars for a newbie :)
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2018, 11:40:53 PM »
You could consider spending a little bit more on the binoculars for a model that lends itself equally well to daytime nature studies, and is covered by an unlimited unconditional lifetime warranty:https://www.eagleopt...prism-binocular

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Re: Telescope & binoculars for a newbie :)
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2018, 11:46:46 PM »
Many households have old binoculars laying around-I would try those;
if not go to garage sells or pawn shops and get a cheap pair THAT WORKS
then consider a better pair if you like binocular viewing

Any decent pair of binoculars work better than naked eyes and
gives a wider FOV than scopes
helps to see the "forest instead of the trees"

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Re: Telescope & binoculars for a newbie :)
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2018, 11:43:37 PM »
These were my first binoculars. Cheap enough that I considered them throw away if I didn't continue.  You know what? They worked. $20
http://www.harborfre...lars-94527.html

However getting better binos is never a bad investment as binoculars can be used during the day or at night. 

My wife and I sometimes go to the beach with a basket dinner or sandwiches and watch the sunset.  I bring a $22 pair of 7X35s with me to look at the boats, the houses and the like.  I use them at night to look at the sky too.  If they get dropped, broken, full of sand or are left behind, no big deal.  But I sometimes bring my $100 10X50s instead. Both work.

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Re: Telescope & binoculars for a newbie :)
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2018, 06:51:23 AM »
Hello!

@Dave Mitsky: The Skywatcher 6 & Skyquest XT6 are bigger than what I´m looking at the moment but thanks a lot for the specifications about them, and the info about Syntha and GSO telescopes.

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@aeajr: Now interested towards the "Bushnell H2O Porro Prism", really like the option of being waterproof and fogproof. Which one do you recommend more, the 7x50 or 10x42?

Thanks for explaining about the tracking scope, and the orion starblast 114 looks like it could be the best option to start. Really liked the option of being able to take pictures and timelapses with it. But first, learn the night sky and more about telescopes, then make the right investment.

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Mark9473 & edwincjones: Thanks for the advice and recommendations, astony_spinaandaeajrhave recommended, I´ll get good binoculars under $100 to start. Probably the Bushnell H20 or Bushnell Legacy WP.

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Have a nice day!

Juan

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Re: Telescope & binoculars for a newbie :)
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2018, 07:25:05 AM »
Both use Bak4 prisms which is what I would recommend.

I started with 10X50s. Naturally you can use these for anything but if these are primarily for astronomy I have a strong preference for these. Note that the higher the magnification the harder it is to hold them visually steady. 10X is considered the highest that most people can hand hold.
According to Bushnell these 10X50s can take a tripod adapter so you can mount them on a tripod or on a special binocular mount for a steadier view.
Use them handheld or mounted.
http://www.bushnell....acy-wp/10x-50mm
https://www.amazon.c...Bushnell Legacy

Tripod adapter
https://www.amazon.c... tripod adapter
If you are a smaller person or would like these to be more multipurpose field binoculars rather than primarily for astronomy then I would lean toward the 8X42.  They should be smaller, lighter and the 8X mag will be easier to hold steady but you lose 25% in magnification from the 10X50s  The H2O 8X42 can not accept a tripod adapter.
http://www.bushnell....ars/h2o/8x-42mm
https://www.amazon.c...H2O Porro PrismThere is a balance between mag and aperture and how this relates to exit pupil.  Typically a 1:5 is what I have seen recommended. This usually results in an exit pupil of about 5 mm which is considered about optimum for adults.  So 8X42, 10X50 are commonly used.   The 7X50s have an exit pupil of 7.1 mm. They say most adult pupils don't open that wide so the extra light is wasted.  I have never done testing on this but it does make sense to me.

Those are my thoughts.

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Re: Telescope & binoculars for a newbie :)
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2018, 12:41:41 PM »
Juan,
Note The 10x50 Bushnell Legacy i recommend are fog and water proof

https://www.amazon.c...ll legacy 10x50

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Re: Telescope & binoculars for a newbie :)
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2018, 01:06:57 PM »
Sorry folks, but in the interest of broadening the viewpoints here I like to offer my alternative two cents, which you may throw at me later. First, Dobs are not for everyone. The platform mount is basically a lazy Susan. Leveling is a must. Frankly, I came to hate mine and parked it in my garage to rust for five years. Secondly, getting to know the sky is a wonderful thing, and it's very rewarding when you can find objects on your own, however, you will end up spending a lot of time finding things that are already discovered. I wish I could have the countless hours I've spent finding things back, so I could spend those same hours observing. A go to scope means you spend much more time observing. For a time I owned a Z10 Dob and a Nexstar 102slt, and I strongly preferred the inexpensive go to for a nights observing.

Ok that's it. Don't throw the pennies too hard.

Enjoy whatever you end up getting!

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Re: Telescope & binoculars for a newbie :)
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2018, 07:33:05 PM »
Hello!

@aeajr & tony_spina: I hadn´t read about the Legacy being waterproof/fogprooftill I read your post Tony but ordered them yesterday after that  , including the tripod mount, "Turn left at Orion" and "The Backyard Astronomers Guide". This weekend I´m going camping so I´ll start learning the night sky and enjoying the binoculars. Thanks a lot to both for your advice and recommendations!

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rseven: Thanks for your point of view! I don´t plan on spending a lot of time just with binoculars, I´d like to know the location of the planets and a few galaxies, nebulaes and star clusters. There´s obviously way to much to see and learn, and also I´d like to get the telescope before it´s too cold to be a long time outdoors jaja. I think that as I use the telescope I can explore and learn about the stuff I find (I´ll keep a log to write about what I find and try to draw sketches), so I can also learn a lot with it.

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Thanks and I´ll post when I get the binoculars and astronomy books !!

Juan

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Re: Telescope & binoculars for a newbie :)
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2018, 02:35:33 AM »
That sounds great! You will be amazed at how many stars you will see with a pair of good binoculars. If you search CN or Google how to handhold binoculars for stargazing you will find lots of advice.

See what works best for you. For me a beach chair or one of those zero gravity recliners makes it very comfortable to view for longer periods of time

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« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2018, 07:22:36 AM »
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Sorry folks, but in the interest of broadening the viewpoints here I like to offer my alternative two cents, which you may throw at me later. First, Dobs are not for everyone. The platform mount is basically a lazy Susan. Leveling is a must. Frankly, I came to hate mine and parked it in my garage to rust for five years. Secondly, getting to know the sky is a wonderful thing, and it's very rewarding when you can find objects on your own, however, you will end up spending a lot of time finding things that are already discovered. I wish I could have the countless hours I've spent finding things back, so I could spend those same hours observing. A go to scope means you spend much more time observing. For a time I owned a Z10 Dob and a Nexstar 102slt, and I strongly preferred the inexpensive go to for a nights observing.

Ok that's it. Don't throw the pennies too hard.

Enjoy whatever you end up getting!

rseven,

Hopefully no one will throw any pennies at you. Certainly not me, the owner of a GoTo refractor and a PushTo Dobsonian.

Everyone should be entitled to their point of view as long as it is provided respectfully.

Clear skies.

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« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2018, 12:14:13 AM »
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: Thanks for your point of view! I don´t plan on spending a lot of time just with binoculars, I´d like to know the location of the planets and a few galaxies, nebulaes and star clusters. There´s obviously way to much to see and learn,

Many of these things are easier to find in binoculars. Don't discount a night with just a chair and binoculars. Good times can be had.