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Title: White Light
Post by: linghetade on December 26, 2017, 09:47:03 AM
Recently got curious about solar viewing and obtained a glass solar filter that matches both my 80mm refractor and 90mm cassegrain telescopes.  Saw the consumer review on Baader ASTF style filters and have ordered one for my own 102mm Cassegrain.I'm begining to worry about pixel size and wonder whether there'sa size limitation beyond the Sun's picture would be too smart to safely view.
Title: Re: White Light
Post by: Tsar Daniels on December 28, 2017, 01:54:59 AM
As long as you have an intact white light filter that covers the aperture securely there should be no problem.
Title: Re: White Light
Post by: acoplochop on January 01, 2018, 07:27:08 AM
Also, I've seen white light filtersfor larger scopes that are off axis filters. They have a filter smaller than the aperture of the scope off to the side (away from the secondary mirror). For example, a white light solar filter for a 12" scope might have a 4" filter off to one side. For example:

http://www.telescope...s?keyword=solar (http://www.telescope.com/1421-ID-Orion-Off-Axis-Solar-Filter/p/7725.uts?keyword=solar)

Full disclosure: it looks like Orion sells full aperture solar filters for apertures up to 11".
Title: Re: White Light
Post by: Nick Nisianakis on January 08, 2018, 05:32:40 AM
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Recently got interested in solar viewing and got a glass solar filter that fits both my 80mm refractor and 90mm cassegrain telescopes. Saw the user review on Baader ASTF style filters and have ordered one for my 102mm Cassegrain.I'm begining to worry about aperture size and wonder if there'sa size limit beyond which the Sun's image would be too bright to safely view.


You will be fine. Baader Astro Solar Film (BASF) is an excellent product. If you find the solar image a little to bright for your liking, simple additional filtration will take care of that issue. Depending upon your budget, you have a couple of options. Starting with the less expensive filtration, you can approach solar observing with basic color filters used in conjunction with your full aperture BASF. Red (W#25) or orange (W#23A) filters work very well in isolating and enhancing sunspot umbrae. Further, a green (W#56 or W#58) filter works well at bring out solar granulation and faculae. There are also various neutral density filters (0.9/2.0) for example, that will aid in reducing any unwanted brightness of the solar disk. Variable polarizing filters are excellent in that you can "tune in" the degree of interference to suit your personal needs. A violet filter (W#47) is good for white light flare searches. If you have the funds, I would strongly recommend investing in a Baader Solar Continuum Filter. The continuum filter provides excellent contrasting relief of solar granulation and faculae. The solar disk will be presented in a light green cast. But I would only invest in this filter if you find you are gaining an interest in solar observing. They are a rather pricey. It is important to remember that no filter is a magic bullet. Use of additional filtration coupled with some experience, will help tease out solar detail with some applied effort. Ensure that the BASF objective filter is tightly attached to the telescope and follow the manufacturer instructions to the letter. From that point on, enjoy the show! Clear skies.

Bill
Title: Re: White Light
Post by: Michael Ritchie on January 12, 2018, 06:50:46 AM
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Recently got interested in solar viewing and got a glass solar filter that fits both my 80mm refractor and 90mm cassegrain telescopes. Saw the user review on Baader ASTF style filters and have ordered one for my 102mm Cassegrain.I'm begining to worry about aperture size and wonder if there'sa size limit beyond which the Sun's image would be too bright to safely view.


You will be fine. Baader Astro Solar Film (BASF) is an excellent product. If you find the solar image a little to bright for your liking, simple additional filtration will take care of that issue. Depending upon your budget, you have a couple of options. Starting with the less expensive filtration, you can approach solar observing with basic color filters used in conjunction with your full aperture BASF. Red (W#25) or orange (W#23A) filters work very well in isolating and enhancing sunspot umbrae. Further, a green (W#56 or W#58) filter works well at bring out solar granulation and faculae. There are also various neutral density filters (0.9/2.0) for example, that will aid in reducing any unwanted brightness of the solar disk. Variable polarizing filters are excellent in that you can "tune in" the degree of interference to suit your personal needs. A violet filter (W#47) is good for white light flare searches. If you have the funds, I would strongly recommend investing in a Baader Solar Continuum Filter. The continuum filter provides excellent contrasting relief of solar granulation and faculae. The solar disk will be presented in a light green cast. But I would only invest in this filter if you find you are gaining an interest in solar observing. They are a rather pricey. It is important to remember that no filter is a magic bullet. Use of additional filtration coupled with some experience, will help tease out solar detail with some applied effort. Ensure that the BASF objective filter is tightly attached to the telescope and follow the manufacturer instructions to the letter. From that point on, enjoy the show! Clear skies.

Bill
Thanks for responding to my concerns. I am new to solar and just a little afraid of it. The information you have provided is exactly what I was looking for. I have two of the color filters you mentioned, but never thought to use them in conjunction with my solar filter. It's a whole new path to follow.
Title: Re: White Light
Post by: John Edwards on January 12, 2018, 06:32:37 PM
Sounds like you're walking that path the right way, with appropriate care and caution.

A small matter that is often not mentioned: if you have an optical finder mounted to the telescope, cap the objective lens. I burned a hole in a coat sleeve, once upon a time, forgetting to do this. Better yet, take the finder scope off. I use one of these to get the sun in view:

http://www.dynapod.com/dyna-hp1.html (http://www.dynapod.com/dyna-hp1.html)
Title: Re: White Light
Post by: Max Sandell on January 13, 2018, 02:56:15 AM
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Recently got interested in solar viewing and got a glass solar filter that fits both my 80mm refractor and 90mm cassegrain telescopes. Saw the user review on Baader ASTF style filters and have ordered one for my 102mm Cassegrain.I'm begining to worry about aperture size and wonder if there'sa size limit beyond which the Sun's image would be too bright to safely view.


You will be fine. Baader Astro Solar Film (BASF) is an excellent product. If you find the solar image a little to bright for your liking, simple additional filtration will take care of that issue. Depending upon your budget, you have a couple of options. Starting with the less expensive filtration, you can approach solar observing with basic color filters used in conjunction with your full aperture BASF. Red (W#25) or orange (W#23A) filters work very well in isolating and enhancing sunspot umbrae. Further, a green (W#56 or W#58) filter works well at bring out solar granulation and faculae. There are also various neutral density filters (0.9/2.0) for example, that will aid in reducing any unwanted brightness of the solar disk. Variable polarizing filters are excellent in that you can "tune in" the degree of interference to suit your personal needs. A violet filter (W#47) is good for white light flare searches. If you have the funds, I would strongly recommend investing in a Baader Solar Continuum Filter. The continuum filter provides excellent contrasting relief of solar granulation and faculae. The solar disk will be presented in a light green cast. But I would only invest in this filter if you find you are gaining an interest in solar observing. They are a rather pricey. It is important to remember that no filter is a magic bullet. Use of additional filtration coupled with some experience, will help tease out solar detail with some applied effort. Ensure that the BASF objective filter is tightly attached to the telescope and follow the manufacturer instructions to the letter. From that point on, enjoy the show! Clear skies.

Bill
Thanks for responding to my concerns. I am new to solar and just a little afraid of it. The information you have provided is exactly what I was looking for. I have two of the color filters you mentioned, but never thought to use them in conjunction with my solar filter. It's a whole new path to follow.

You're very welcome. Solar observing is a wonderful pastime. Good luck!
Title: Re: White Light
Post by: subhymerlo on January 16, 2018, 12:44:41 AM
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Sounds like you're walking that path the right way, with appropriate care and caution.

A small matter that is often not mentioned: if you have an optical finder mounted to the telescope, cap the objective lens. I burned a hole in a coat sleeve, once upon a time, forgetting to do this. Better yet, take the finder scope off. I use one of these to get the sun in view:

http://www.dynapod.com/dyna-hp1.html (http://www.dynapod.com/dyna-hp1.html)

Excellent point Tom.
Title: Re: White Light
Post by: Santosh Wolf on January 17, 2018, 01:13:01 AM
That piece of advice about findersis important! Just remove all finders while solar viewing except shadow finders. You can look at the shadow of your scope on the ground and when its size is minimal, usually a circle, you are aimed at the sun.

I once saw an observer who had neglected to remove his finder stand up from his eyepiece sniffing the air cautiously and curiously while his bangs smoldered!
Title: Re: White Light
Post by: Donnell Keown on January 18, 2018, 08:40:29 AM
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That piece of advice about findersis important! Just remove all finders while solar viewing except shadow finders. You can look at the shadow of your scope on the ground and when its size is minimal, usually a circle, you are aimed at the sun.

I once saw an observer who had neglected to remove his finder stand up from his eyepiece sniffing the air cautiously and curiously while his bangs smoldered!

I was in my mid teens, out looking at the sun on a bright winter morning. I smelled smoke, and saw wispsof white vapor curling up from my forearm. Fortunately it had been a snowy Illinois winter, and a nearby pile of snow, left from shoveling the driveway, was my salvation. At least, it was until I tried to explain to the folks how I'd ruined one sleeve of my coat!
Title: Re: White Light
Post by: Robert Spencer on January 23, 2018, 04:54:51 AM
Something I didn't see mentioned here is that there's a practical limit to solar aperture size, around 4-5 inches from what I've read. Seeing tends to be pretty horrid when the sun's out, and larger apertures tend to make that more pronounced. At 102 mm, a tad under 4", you shouldn't have too much trouble unless you set up in a parking lot.

A few weeks ago I made an off-axis filter with the Baader film for my 12" Dob. It works pretty well, although the seeing was spotty the one day I've had a chance to use it. The aperture is somewhere between 4 and 5 inches ... it is a tad bright, but not uncomfortably so. The ND filter I have on the way, or perhaps various color filters, ought to help with that.
Title: Re: White Light
Post by: quetafulra on January 23, 2018, 05:23:39 AM
+1 on an off-axis Baader film filter plus color filters for solar viewing.

For my 10" dob the off axis hole is 3", but even with the denser Baader film filter it is a bit bright for my eyes to bring out the most detail. Color filters in addition sharpen things up for me. I've also tried a moon filter but see more detail with the color filters.
Title: Re: White Light
Post by: Sean Meyer on January 31, 2018, 07:29:24 AM
I have found solar viewing to be very rewarding so far... and since I work evenings (14:00 to 23:00), sometimes that is all the viewing I get to do. Sadly, I don't get much time for solar viewing lately due to all the overtime I am required for.

I too, was a bit concerned about solar viewing at first. But after using my homemade solar filter for a few sessions, I am less nervous about it. I check the filter for pinholes/leakage prior to using it and have had no issues. Following is a picture of my rig:



^^^^ "The Beast", ready for solar viewing... Following is a pic I took with my iPhone 6 through the eyepiece...
^^^^ there were a couple of sunspots in the upper left quadrant, but the iPhone couldn't resolve them.

I have since used the green W # 58 filter that Reptilicus recommended and it does indeed help with detail.

All in all, I have been very pleased with this aspect of the hobby. The cost? About $15 for the Thousand Oaks solar film from Amazon and the green filter came in a set of 4 for about $29.

Clear skies guys!

CB
Title: Re: White Light
Post by: Mike Meckler on January 31, 2018, 10:48:27 AM
CB,

Glad to hear white solar observing is working out for you.  As long as it is secured tightly to the dew shield and you inspect it before each session for serviceability, your good to go. Be especially careful on windy days. Clear skies...

Bill
Title: Re: White Light
Post by: Antonio Stanton on February 02, 2018, 03:14:15 PM
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CB,

Glad to hear white solar observing is working out for you.  As long as it is secured tightly to the dew shield and you inspect it before each session for serviceability, your good to go. Be especially careful on windy days. Clear skies...

Bill


You know, I wasn't sure it would appeal to me, but since I could get into it economically enough, I felt it was worth a try. Now, I am captivated with it. Even though it has been a weak cycle, I have enjoyed seeing the sunspot activity that has been there. I am also looking forward to the transit this May.

I have rubber tips on the securing screws for my filter and they grip VERY tenaciously. I check it for pinholes before I mount it and then check it once it is mounted to be sure it is gripping like it should. We have a lot of wind here in Texas, and it was a primary concern when I built it. So far so good!

Thanks for the encouragement, Bill!

Clear skies!

CB
Title: Re: White Light
Post by: Jermaine Conner on February 02, 2018, 04:06:30 PM
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I have found solar viewing to be very rewarding so far... and since I work evenings (14:00 to 23:00), sometimes that is all the viewing I get to do. Sadly, I don't get much time for solar viewing lately due to all the overtime I am required for.

I too, was a bit concerned about solar viewing at first. But after using my homemade solar filter for a few sessions, I am less nervous about it. I check the filter for pinholes/leakage prior to using it and have had no issues. Following is a picture of my rig:



^^^^ "The Beast", ready for solar viewing... Following is a pic I took with my iPhone 6 through the eyepiece...
^^^^ there were a couple of sunspots in the upper left quadrant, but the iPhone couldn't resolve them.

I have since used the green W # 58 filter that Reptilicus recommended and it does indeed help with detail.

All in all, I have been very pleased with this aspect of the hobby. The cost? About $15 for the Thousand Oaks solar film from Amazon and the green filter came in a set of 4 for about $29.

Clear skies guys!

CB

What color filter did you use here? Looks orange. I kind of like this!
Title: Re: White Light
Post by: Jared Morgan on February 02, 2018, 05:22:20 PM
Hi Steve!

The color is from the Thousand Oaks filter film from Amazon. I will try to provide the link later, I am on a break at work right now.

Best regards!

CB
Title: Re: White Light
Post by: Jose Melo on February 08, 2018, 05:51:41 PM
Wow, Orange tinted solar film! Had not heard of that.

I use the Baader white film for maximum resolution. I do like the look of that orange sun a little better, even though it's not natural.
Title: Re: White Light
Post by: Nathan Mayienda on February 08, 2018, 08:01:31 PM
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Sounds like you're walking that path the right way, with appropriate care and caution.

A small matter that is often not mentioned: if you have an optical finder mounted to the telescope, cap the objective lens. I burned a hole in a coat sleeve, once upon a time, forgetting to do this. Better yet, take the finder scope off. I use one of these to get the sun in view:

http://www.dynapod.com/dyna-hp1.html (http://www.dynapod.com/dyna-hp1.html)


I used a PVC pipe connector with some Baader solar film rubber banded across one end of it and it fits over the front of my finder scope pretty well.
Title: Re: White Light
Post by: Tyler King on February 09, 2018, 06:39:25 AM
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Wow, Orange tinted solar film! Had not heard of that.

I use the Baader white film for maximum resolution. I do like the look of that orange sun a little better, even though it's not natural.


The Baader white film comes in both Visual and Imaging types. I mention that just for general information.

I love the film and usually make solar filters throughout the year for my refractors BUT I find that it is so fragile and there is a concern that it may end up with a scratch or pin-hole that I can't see then burn my eyes.

So just take very good care of it and change it out often.
Title: Re: White Light
Post by: malphandrafsadd on February 09, 2018, 10:41:35 AM
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Wow, Orange tinted solar film! Had not heard of that.

I use the Baader white film for maximum resolution. I do like the look of that orange sun a little better, even though it's not natural.


The film is not orange tinted actually, or mine isn't anyway. It is almost black in color when just looking at it off the scope. But when viewing the sun, it imparts an orange hue to the solar disk. I find it more appealing than the Baader film.

CB