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Michael Thompson

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Re: Xt10i or xt10g
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2018, 09:27:11 PM »
Thank you again sky muse. I will definitely read your links as I know they will help!! It's 11pm here in CT and I get up at 430am for a 10hr shift I'm already well past my bedtime but I'm staying awake because of you helpful folks! And as my wife would put it because of new found obsession..lol

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Re: Xt10i or xt10g
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2018, 10:59:36 AM »
I own the Orion XT8i Intelliscope.  Love it and would recommend the Intelliscope to anyone.

I also own two Meade GoTo scopes.

All 3 can be used manually and I do use them manually about 50% of the time but when I want computer assist I am very happy I have it.

Having had 2 Goto and the Intelliscope, and looking to the future I am planning, someday, to get an Orion XXL14G or 16G - the full GoTo version.
Can be used manually without turning on the computer
If you do use the computer and align the scope you can still move it manually and it will not lose its alignment
I love tracking - Intelliscope doesn't track and I like the scope but it would be great if it could track.
Tracking opens you up to later adding imaging based on webcams, video cams and short duration cameras
Tracking opens you up to EAA, electronically assisted astronomy ( I have added this to one of my Goto scopes)
Video Astronomy – Reveloution Imager R2 – I own this one.http://www.revolutionimager.com/

EAA for Dummieshttp://www.cloudynig...n-technobabble/
So, bottom line, if you have the budget, and it seems you do, get the G, the GoTo version. It will do all that the Intelliscope can do and more.  If you were budget constrained then I would recommend the Intelliscope, but you aren't.

And the Explore Scientific 68 and 82 degree eyepieces are a great choice. If you can afford them, then get them.

I am also a big fan of Zoom eyepieces.  I have a Celestron 8-24. Very happy with it but if I had the budget at the time I would buy the Baader Hyperion Mark IV 8-24 zoom.  I just picked up a used earlier model.

Does that help?

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Re: Xt10i or xt10g
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2018, 03:56:53 PM »
My 1st scope was an XT10i and I very highly recommend them. As you seem to already know, they are very helpful to someone trying to learn the sky. The XT10i is very easy to hand track. I use mine for outreach and often teach interested 1st time observers as young as 7 or 8 how to be "Dob drivers" in 3 or 4 minutes.
The XT..g models work fine. But it's a bit superfluous if, as noted, you go ahead and spring for a widefield ep kit. Those are a better place to spend your money.

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Re: Xt10i or xt10g
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2018, 01:27:52 AM »
IMO there are huge benefits visually at to have both tracking and 'goto'. Far from 'gee-whiz' type gadgetry it accomplishes it's goals handily. It's not just good for Dob's. Most all my SCt's post late 90's had it and it isn't new, just new to consumer price Dob's. I greatly prefer it to a Newt on a GEM mount (as for eye placement unless you have rotating rings) WhenI do outreach or share the scope with folks, it's great to have the object a good magnification and know that when someone else looks it's still in the best part of the eyepiece. Sharing with several folks each take their time. High mag viewing planets at one end or objects like M27 or M81/82this goes at least double. It's possible to see a lot and see it well, you can relax and enjoy the view. I think for beginners it's a fantastic learning tool that rewards it's investment immediately.

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Re: Xt10i or xt10g
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2018, 01:55:04 PM »
IMO goto is like 4wd, 90% of the time you dont need it. But that 10% of the time it will save your bacon.

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Re: Xt10i or xt10g
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2018, 03:32:01 PM »
Went thru this myself a few years back. Got the XTi Intelliscope. Here's my reasoning...its dark out there, if something goes wrong with the XTi, you unplug the controller and keep viewing (something, anything if you don't know where things are)...If something goes wrong at the dark site with an XTg....good luck with that (I've seen it happen more then once with goto scopes)...kinda like being in a hurry and all you have for transportation is an Ox.

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Re: Xt10i or xt10g
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2018, 04:21:05 PM »
Remember; Orion does not offer tech support/parts for non original purchasers, so the electronics aspect of the scope will have resale value issues on the used market should you decide to sell it. Anyone buying electronics from Orion should keep this in mind; may or may not be an issue for the OP.

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Re: Xt10i or xt10g
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2018, 10:45:34 PM »
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Went thru this myself a few years back.  Got the XTi Intelliscope.  Here's my reasoning...its dark out there, if something goes wrong with the XTi, you unplug the controller and keep viewing (something, anything if you don't know where things are)...If something goes wrong at the dark site with an XTg....good luck with that (I've seen it happen more then once with goto scopes)...kinda like being in a hurry and all you have for transportation is an Ox.

It is true that some old style goto mounts can't work without the computer.   But this is not an old style mount.
If something goes wrong with the xtg  you turn off the computer and keep going as a manual scope,  Just like the xti.
That is one reasons I want one.   Same with the Orion Starseeker IV mounts.

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Re: Xt10i or xt10g
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2018, 12:02:05 AM »
"I have an xt10g as well as an xt10 (non-goto)."

StarryHill; how does the bulk of the GoTo version compare with the non-GoTo version? When I was looking at these I was put off by what looked like a bulky GoTo system. I just can't imagine trying to do anything precision with a mount built largely of particle board. However, I have never heard of any complaints.

Thanks!

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Re: Xt10i or xt10g
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2018, 03:04:08 AM »
Agree with the above about 10" being a great aperture to use, not too big and not too small.Great for planetary and opens the DSO catalogs a lot depending on your skies and light pollution.I am going on 4 years with my 14" no issues yet though the power conx has caused a power problem more than once - but loss of power doesn't lock it up like a car. Specific to the 10" "g" there are many customer reviews on the Orion web site going back to maybe 2010 !?.

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Re: Xt10i or xt10g
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2018, 01:25:36 PM »
From what I understand, it is possible to manually track with the Orion GOTO Dobs but the motions are less than ideal and at higher magnifications not really practical. As Dick said, tracking by hand is relatively easy with a decent mount.

For a GOTO scope, an SCT is worth a look..

Jon

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Re: Xt10i or xt10g
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2018, 02:49:21 PM »
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StarryHill; how does the bulk of the GoTo version compare with the non-GoTo version? When I was looking at these I was put off by what looked like a bulky GoTo system. I just can't imagine trying to do anything precision with a mount built largely of particle board. However, I have never heard of any complaints.

Thanks!


Hello jgraham,

If by 'bulk' you mean weight and size, the GOTO version of the XT10 is of course heavier than the NON-GOTO version but not by a huge amount and it is a couple of inches taller. They are more similar than different.

But if by bulk you mean how easy and graceful it is to move about manually, this is where they are really different -- the GOTO version can be used manually but you do have to push harder compared with the NON-GOTO version. For this reason, I much prefer the NON-GOTO version and use it probably 95% of the time. I use the GOTO version primarily for outreach when tracking is really beneficial.

I don't see the particle board as an issue affecting use. The XT10 can be very precise when locating targets -- no problems. And the GOTO version is very accurate. So no complaints from me.

In fact, I would argue that the XT10 is one of the very best values out there considering you can get 10" for well under $1k. I used to own a Mewlon 250 (10") on a Temma 200 mount which cost over $12k. Certainly different classes of telescopes but it makes me realize just how good the value of the XT10 is. I also own an Obsession 12.5" which is a work of art compared with the XT10 with buttery-smooth motions but it costs close to $5k. Are these 12x and 5x better than the XT10? Not in my mind.

So I can easily recommend the XT10 to anyone looking for a good setup with lots of aperture without tons of money to spend.

Tom

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Re: Xt10i or xt10g
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2018, 08:19:36 PM »
Starry Hill,

Your report is really valuable.  This is the first I have read that the GoTo version was more difficult to manually push and track than the XT10 or 10i.  That is valuable input.

So it comes down to intended use in my mind.

If Ken83expects to use his new telescope manually, without the computer, a lot then maybe the XT10i Intelliscope would be the better option.

If the Ken83expects to use the scope with GoTo most of the time to take advantage of tracking for visual or some light imaging then the 10G might be the better option.

This is also good input for me as I really like the Orion line and plan to add a bigger Dob in the future. I have an Intelliscope now. My plan has been for the G version so any input or comparison is useful to me.Someone suggested a GoTo SCT might be a good alternative.

An XT10G - GoTo Dob - $1300
http://www.telescope...=US&keyword=10G

Let's see what options might exist with SCTs

Celestron Evolution 9.25 - $2200
https://www.telescop...-9-25-telescope

Meade LX90 11"  $2400
https://www.telescop...-free-telescope

For similar sized aperture you can spend twice as much on an SCT. However there are some potential size advantages to an SCT, if those are of interest to the buyer.

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Re: Xt10i or xt10g
« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2018, 03:12:31 AM »
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Starry Hill,
Your report is really valuable.   This is the first I have read that the GoTo version was more difficult to manually push and track than the XT10 or 10i.   That is valuable input.
So it comes down to intended use in my mind.
If Ken83 expects to use his new telescope manually, without the computer, a lot then maybe the XT10i Intelliscope would be the better option. 
If the Ken83 expects to use the scope with GoTo most of the time to take advantage of tracking for visual or some light imaging then the 10G might be the better option.
This is also good input for me as I really like the Orion line and plan to add a bigger Dob in the future.  I have an Intelliscope now.  My plan has been for the G version so any input or comparison is useful to me.
Someone suggested a GoTo SCT might be a good alternative.
An XT10G - GoTo Dob - $1300http://www.telescope...=US&keyword=10G
Let's see what options might exist with SCTs
Celestron Evolution 9.25 - $2200https://www.telescop...-9-25-telescope
Meade LX90 11"   $2400https://www.telescop...-free-telescope
For similar sized aperture you can spend twice as much on an SCT.  However there are some potential size advantages to an SCT, if those are of interest to the buyer.

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Re: Xt10i or xt10g
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2018, 07:52:14 AM »
Don't underestimate "stiffer" slew...you want as smooth a slew as possible when manually using a scope. You want just enough friction to hold the scope in place when you let it go....stiff doesn't really cut it for higher mag viewing....