Author Topic: Zhumell z12 vs skywatcher colapsable 12" vs explore scientific 12"?  (Read 271 times)

colzefuli

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Hi everyone, I have been reading the forum for sometime now and thought i would finally register.
I want to purchase a new scope and i am deciding between these three. I was all set to order the z12 until i saw the 30 pages of mods and began to wonder if this would be more of a building project then star watching. The explore scientific seem to have its share of problems from what little info i can find.So i am leaning toward the sky watcher. My question is which one of the three will be the least amount of mods right out of the box. As far as truss vs solid tube it is not much of a concern as i will be viewing from my own backyard. Thanks for any help you can give me.



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Re: Zhumell z12 vs skywatcher colapsable 12" vs explore scientific 12"?
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2017, 08:23:18 PM »
Hi Night Spy and welcome to the forums!

Another way of looking at that Mega-Mod thread is that the scopes are hugely popular and good enough that folks find replacing them less attractive than tweaking them up a bit. I have observed with another club member's completely stock Z12. Nice scope and it has a huge, rabid fan base here on the forum. The large difference in the mods made to a Z12 and to the ES scope, IMO, is that the Z12 works very well without modification. The difference in the Z12 and SkyWatcher are finer. Tube Dobs are very rigid and robust. The SkyWatcher is a capable scope too.

Again IMO, you have listed the 3 scopes in proper order of desirability in your post heading. #1 - Z12. #2 SkyWatcher (a pretty close 2nd place finisher) and in a distant #3 the ES.

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Re: Zhumell z12 vs skywatcher colapsable 12" vs explore scientific 12"?
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2018, 11:50:54 AM »
They're all great scopes that start out pretty basic and can be improved with minor and major upgrades. I would say that neither is better than another in this case.

Decide on whether you want the portability of truss vs a solid tube, and then go from there. On any of these, you must be prepared to test the optics first and confirm you are getting what you're paying for. Send it back if not.

The Z12 is a known good scope. Excellent mechanics and a good starting point.
I haven't seen the ES truss units, so no experiance there.
The Skywatcher collapsible scope also gets great reviews.
You left out the Meade 12" Lightbridge, also a good truss scope.

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Re: Zhumell z12 vs skywatcher colapsable 12" vs explore scientific 12"?
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2018, 12:17:19 PM »
If you're observing from home, get the z12.

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Re: Zhumell z12 vs skywatcher colapsable 12" vs explore scientific 12"?
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2018, 11:40:30 AM »
Thank you all for your input. I will most likely end up making a purchase of either the z12 or the sky watcher in the next few weeks.
One other thing that i am wondering if you had to choose between a 10" and better eyepieces or a 12" and what comes with it which would you choose in the short term? I am aware that over time you can make upgrades but right away which would give you better views? Thx

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Re: Zhumell z12 vs skywatcher colapsable 12" vs explore scientific 12"?
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2018, 12:49:16 AM »
I'm one of the most rabid Z12 promoters and modders around. Don't be put off by our modifying zeal- the Z12 is ready to blow you away with quality views right out of the box. I would venture to say that most Z12 owners modify their scopes very little and people like me make up for them...In answer to the question about 12 vs 10 plus EPs, I would ALWAYS advocate for aperture now and buy USED EPs at your leisure, flipping the ones you don't like for even money. Good luck!

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Re: Zhumell z12 vs skywatcher colapsable 12" vs explore scientific 12"?
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2018, 04:15:35 PM »
If you can handle the greater weight of the 12" scope than go that way over the 10. You can always add or upgrade accesories later.

Z12 is 75 pounds and the tube alone is over 5 feet long.

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Re: Zhumell z12 vs skywatcher colapsable 12" vs explore scientific 12"?
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2018, 10:48:38 AM »
Since it's not meant for travel, the solid tube might make more sense.

My crush is the skywatcher collapsible 10". Check the Russian review video if you haven't. I figure the 10" collapsible is probably the largest scope I could ever take on car trips to darker skies.

Maybe in a few years I'll get it

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Re: Zhumell z12 vs skywatcher colapsable 12" vs explore scientific 12"?
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2018, 04:26:19 PM »
Go with the 12" scope. I have a 10" Apertura (It's the same scope as the Zhumell). After using the scope for 3 years, I've regretted not buying the 12. The scope will be ready to go right out of the box. As you use the scope, then make decisions on any improvements you may want to make. Good luck with your decision.

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Re: Zhumell z12 vs skywatcher colapsable 12" vs explore scientific 12"?
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2018, 11:56:45 AM »
I agree with Twhitman123, I too own a Skyline 10" (the same scope as a Z10. Same scope, just renamed) and have always wished I would have went with the 12". I have posted in the Mega Mod page and what I've done are just minor modifications to it. I built a new base for it not bc I needed to, more just bc I wanted a project to do, so I built one that's a bit lighter.I'd go with the 12". Ep's can come later on

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Re: Zhumell z12 vs skywatcher colapsable 12" vs explore scientific 12"?
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2018, 02:15:26 AM »
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One other thing that i am wondering if you had to choose between a 10" and better eyepieces or a 12" and what comes with it which would you choose in the short term?

When I bought/traded my first three telescopes, eyepieces were the last thing I considered spending major money on. I just couldn't see why someone would spend more money on an eyepiece which cost the same as a small telescope.

But, then again, I'd never looked through a "better eyepiece" either. Once I had, it was game over.

Caveat: have you considered the cost of other accessories you might need which could influence your choice of a 10" or 12"? More robust collimation tools, 0x finderscope, filters, accessory case, observing chair/table, star atlas. It gets expensive quick.

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Re: Zhumell z12 vs skywatcher colapsable 12" vs explore scientific 12"?
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2018, 03:19:26 AM »
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One other thing that i am wondering if you had to choose between a 10" and better eyepieces or a 12" and what comes with it which would you choose in the short term?

When I bought/traded my first three telescopes, eyepieces were the last thing I considered spending major money on. I just couldn't see why someone would spend more money on an eyepiece which cost the same as a small telescope.

But, then again, I'd never looked through a "better eyepiece" either. Once I had, it was game over.

Caveat: have you considered the cost of other accessories you might need which could influence your choice of a 10" or 12"? More robust collimation tools, 0x finderscope, filters, accessory case, observing chair/table, star atlas. It gets expensive quick.
I have read where some have had trouble with the laser collimator but i had thought there was a way to re-collimate them? Or are you saying I also need to purchase other items to go along with it? If i purchase the z-12 I will also get the telrad, barlow and the 14mm as well as the 18mm Zhumell planetary eye pieces> If i buy the 12" sky watcher then the assesiories will have to be added later due to my budget. $1,000

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Re: Zhumell z12 vs skywatcher colapsable 12" vs explore scientific 12"?
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2018, 06:30:30 AM »
The supplied laser collimators can be serviceable but they have to be checked before using them. They can be adjusted if they are out of whack. You should be able to find some helpful how-to videos on YouTube.

BTW, there is a SCREAMING HOT deal in the CN classifieds on an 12" Orion Z clone with valuable cart for someone able to pick it up in Florida. Only $475! I'm not associated with the seller, just wishing I was in Florida...

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Re: Zhumell z12 vs skywatcher colapsable 12" vs explore scientific 12"?
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2018, 07:57:36 AM »
Collimation tools you need and tools you don’t need
http://garyseronik.c...-what-you-dont/I do my collimation with a collimation cap. Came with my Orion XT8i and works fine.
http://agenaastro.co...t-eyepiece.html

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Re: Zhumell z12 vs skywatcher colapsable 12" vs explore scientific 12"?
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2018, 02:40:46 PM »
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Since it's not meant for travel, the solid tube might make more sense.

My crush is the skywatcher collapsible 10". Check the Russian review video if you haven't. I figure the 10" collapsible is probably the largest scope I could ever take on car trips to darker skies.

Maybe in a few years I'll get it

I bought a 10" Sky-Watcher Collapsible Dob a number of years ago as a more easily portable Dob for one-night trips to local dark sites. I've used it quite often since then. There are a few minor things that I don't care for about the scope but overall it has been a good performer. In order to mount a pointing device and a finder scope, I've added an Orion Dual Finder Scope Mounting Bracket. I also replaced the original 8x50 finder scope with an 8x50 RACI finder scope.

http://www.telescope...67/p/102788.uts

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