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Michael Dinelli

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Re: Baader zoom+barlow vs. TV Nag3-6 zoom?
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2018, 02:59:23 AM »
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The point of the nagler zoom is it is more of a minimal glass, planetary eyepiece. Which is why it is not as comfortable to view through. With the number of lenses in the baader zoom, plus a Barlow, it would be a bit unfair to compare it to the nagler zoom. The only question is the margin of victory for the nagler, and if that margin of victory is worth the small eye lens and short eye relief. Why do people use Delos for planetary viewing? Because they prefer the viewing comfort over the small performance benefit from a simple glass planetary eyepiece. If you are more of a casual planetary observer, you may prefer the viewing comfort rather than wringing out that extra 5% performance gain, so to speak. So you really just have to try it yourself and see which you prefer.

I agree. I can grab my AT111EDT (on WO EZT) and a small Diagonal and be out the door in the winter getting all my desired Planetary/Lunar magnifications (130X - 260X) with one eyepiece.....the TVZ 3mm - 6mm.

At the eyepiece I don't think there would be a huge difference between the TVZ and Hyp.

Mike

I dunno about that. After viewing through both I'd have to say that the Nagler 3-6mm Zoom is better optically.

Donnell Keown

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Re: Baader zoom+barlow vs. TV Nag3-6 zoom?
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2018, 02:02:12 PM »
i totally agree with Markus

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Re: Baader zoom+barlow vs. TV Nag3-6 zoom?
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2018, 07:54:29 AM »
Even if the views were identical, give me the plossl sized TV zoom over a heavy zoom plus barlow any night..

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Re: Baader zoom+barlow vs. TV Nag3-6 zoom?
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2018, 12:42:40 PM »
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Even if the views were identical, give me the plossl sized TV zoom over a heavy zoom plus barlow any night..

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I agree, which is why I've kept the NZ , but the more generous eye relief and the much bigger eye lens make observing with the

Baader zoom a joy. So far, the same amount of details have been seen in both camps ( BHZ-NZ, Radian- XWs). If this trend

continuous on both Jupiter and the Moon, then I can easily see myself becoming a one-eyepiece -man with the SW 120ED.

George

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Re: Baader zoom+barlow vs. TV Nag3-6 zoom?
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2018, 03:15:42 PM »
Me want 3-6mm Nagler Zoom !!!

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Re: Baader zoom+barlow vs. TV Nag3-6 zoom?
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2018, 07:35:05 PM »
Hey, you're getting better, you kept that 21XL for about a whole week!

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Re: Baader zoom+barlow vs. TV Nag3-6 zoom?
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2018, 04:40:37 AM »
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Hey, you're getting better, you kept that 21XL for about a whole week!



He had It a little longer than that and only replaced it as a 20mm XW became available.

Mike

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Re: Baader zoom+barlow vs. TV Nag3-6 zoom?
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2018, 06:25:07 AM »
I have both. I find the Nagler zoom to be a bit better optically and enjoy it's lightweight for my 4" Apo. I like the comfort (mostly longer eye relief) of the Baader zoom and use it with and without the Hyperion 2.25X barlow in my 12" dob. I like that I can use it with the 2" barrel and never really use anything but 2" eyepieces in the dob.

To me, it is like asking "Which hammer is better--a claw or ball peen hammer?" Both have their purpose, but if you are only interested in one dimension (optical quality), then I cannot image most observers not preferring the crisp planetary views of the Nagler zoom.

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Re: Baader zoom+barlow vs. TV Nag3-6 zoom?
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2018, 07:22:57 AM »
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I have them both and just recently thought to myself that I could send the Nagler Zoom packing, the Baader Zoom native plus in tandem with the Baader Hyperion 2.25x barlow is just that much more versatile. Optically, have never compared them.

On a somewhat related note, Baader Hyperion 2.25x barlow is a very transparent barlow and an excellent performer, even for planetary. I have used it screwed on to my 10/8/6 Delos for great planetary views in the same refractor as yours (SW 120ED).


Syed,

I got the Baader Hyperion barlow the other day to use it with my eight year old Baader Mark II zoom and the results were

astounding. I spent two hours observing Jupiter without feeling the need to reach for my Radians, XWs, or the NZ zoom. The

results were even more shocking when I used the Meade 3X shorty. If I could just use the zoom for all my planetary observing,

then I'd be a happy man traveling light without any cases popping out of nowhere like mushrooms.

It's gonna be an interesting summer comparing the heavyweights with the zoom + barlow combo.I'll be rooting for the underdog

though hoping for an upset .

George

I'm glad there is another fan! I have had very good results with the Baader Zoom and the Nikon EiC 1.6x as well, it is a very transparent barlow with some of the darkest coatings I've ever seen.

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Re: Baader zoom+barlow vs. TV Nag3-6 zoom?
« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2018, 08:08:34 AM »
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Hey, you're getting better, you kept that 21XL for about a whole week!



He had It a little longer than that and only replaced it as a 20mm XW became available.

Mike

8 days to be exact.  Only replaced with a 20mm XW as I wanted the 70 degrees.

I used the 20mm XW a lot last night. Excellent eyepiece. I avoided it for so long because of the field curvature inherent in the design, (the 14mm and 20mm XW's have positive field curvature as they were actually made for the Pentax spotting scopes), but after using it last night I am really glad I got it. 75% of the field is sharp and the outer 25% shows some field curvature, but to me, the inner 75% is so sharp I just ignored the outer field curvature.

Wow, what an AMAZING eyepiece !!!!