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Marquise Nation

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ES62 5.5mm vs. DeLite 5mm?
« on: December 29, 2017, 02:57:10 AM »
I've still not seen a direct comparison report of these and with the ES sale on this month I'm interested in any opinions. It's not a focal length I use a lot so the ES might do but I'm willing to pony up for the DeLite if there's enough of a difference. This is mostly for lunar and planetary.



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Re: ES62 5.5mm vs. DeLite 5mm?
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2017, 04:32:51 AM »
There is actually a whole thread about the ES 62 degree line, but the general consensus is they are similar to Meade’s 5000 plossl line of eyepieces.

That being said the ES is not quite the full 62 degrees and only has ~ 13mm of ER. The Delite on the other hand has the full 62 degrees and 20mm of ER. There are a number of good reviews of the ES 5.5 so I don’t think you’d be disappointed.

If you’re an eye glass wearer who is dead set on the full 62 degrees you’d want the Delite, if you’re happy without glasses and close but not quite 62 degrees works for you, you should be fine with the ES.

On the last page of the ES 62 thread Myriam has an extensive review of the ES 5.5.

https://www.cloudyni...ee-line/page-16

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Re: ES62 5.5mm vs. DeLite 5mm?
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2017, 04:56:35 AM »
Throw the 5.5mm Meade UWA into the mix.

Hmmm...

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Re: ES62 5.5mm vs. DeLite 5mm?
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2017, 04:59:54 AM »
Wait. ES62 9mm and 5.5mm are a new project. All the other ES62s seem a Meade Plossl 5000 rebrand.

Cesar Norris

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Re: ES62 5.5mm vs. DeLite 5mm?
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2017, 07:54:17 AM »
+1 Meade 5.5uwa. Also a "new project", I am blown away by this eyepiece!
I briefly had the 26mm 5000 plossl, but replaced it with the 24swa. The shorter focal length 5000 plossls did not impress me nor were they long eye relief by any stretch. I have not yet seen es62s.
The 5.5uwa is something special, held its own next to 7t6 in my f5.4 apo. Even a tad more eye relief than the type 6. And a well corrected and bright image. M42 at 98x in blue zone skies was amazing in that EP and the lunar views in pronto and 4" 9.8 achro was amazing as well.

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Re: ES62 5.5mm vs. DeLite 5mm?
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2017, 05:40:13 AM »
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I've still not seen a direct comparison report of these and with the ES sale on this month I'm interested in any opinions. It's not a focal length I use a lot so the ES might do but I'm willing to pony up for the DeLite if there's enough of a difference. This is mostly for lunar and planetary.


There are a few folks on CN, myself included, who feel the 5mm version of the Delite is, well, sort of the runt of the litter. I have no experience with the ES though.

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Re: ES62 5.5mm vs. DeLite 5mm?
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2018, 02:29:52 PM »
Thanks, I have heard this about the 5mm DeLite from 2 other people now. Meanwhile the ES 5.5mm 62 seems to have great reviews. It is apparently a new design as per ES. It has a larger diameter top lens than the Meade 5000 Plossl, it's much more shorter than the X-cel 5mm or HD-60 4.5mm and eye relief is reportedly a little tighter.

I've had both the new Meade 5.5mm UWA and older 6.7mm UWA. I did like the 5.5mm UWA but am looking for brighter, more contrast, less scatter and more detail and am willing to give up some AFOV for it.

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Re: ES62 5.5mm vs. DeLite 5mm?
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2018, 03:43:54 PM »
I haven't scrutinized my 5.5uwa for scatter yet. I just got it and only had a short window before Saturn set behind a mountain on first light (got it on the way to a night at borrego palm canyon).
I would not expect it to be ortho or quality plossl like, but it was much better than some of the V1 tmb/Burgess planetary EPs from what I can see.
If the 62 is baffled well enough and has the right coatings, perhaps it will be what you want.
There is also the orion ultrascopic 5mm or parks GS7 5mm, they are 7element though, but high quality glass. Basically a 10mm 5element plossl with a built in Barlow. I have the IR version of that, and it is pretty impressive, but has that darn reticle in the way
People struggle with orthos for a reason and sometimes I regret selling mine.

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Re: ES62 5.5mm vs. DeLite 5mm?
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2018, 03:31:23 AM »
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Thanks, I have heard this about the 5mm DeLite from 2 other people now. Meanwhile the ES 5.5mm 62 seems to have great reviews. It is apparently a new design as per ES. It has a larger diameter top lens than the Meade 5000 Plossl, it's much more shorter than the X-cel 5mm or HD-60 4.5mm and eye relief is reportedly a little tighter.

I've had both the new Meade 5.5mm UWA and older 6.7mm UWA. I did like the 5.5mm UWA but am looking for brighter, more contrast, less scatter and more detail and am willing to give up some AFOV for it.

I have both the Meade 5.5mm UWA and the 5.5mm ES62. Seeing conditions have yet to be good enough for me to provide a comparison that I would consider reliable. The ES62 has enough eye relief that I can see the full field with minimal eyeglass3s contact with the top surface.

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Re: ES62 5.5mm vs. DeLite 5mm?
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2018, 11:29:28 PM »
So how is the 5.5/62 vs the 5.5uwa on scatter and throughput?

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Re: ES62 5.5mm vs. DeLite 5mm?
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2018, 10:39:23 AM »
Keith, you'd be disappointed with the edge of the field in the 5.5mm x 62°.
I don't have experience with the 5.5mm Meade UWA, but I can tell you about the 5mm Delite, since I've used it a lot.
I use it primarily for planets and double stars, but I do so in a non-tracking scope, so it's not uncommon for me to
watch a planet drift from just inside one edge to just inside the opposite edge.
Where I observe the skies are almost always good enough I can use a 5mm eyepiece at 143X in the 4" apo scope.
It's less common that I can use a 4mm (179x) and get an equally-sharp view. So the 5mm gets a lot of use.

I don't see that refocusing is necessary when the planet or double star drifts across. So whatever field curvature is there
is so minor that even my old eyes (which are almost "fixed-focus" at this point) can accommodate it.
I.e., I don't notice field curvature, though I do see it in a couple other 5mm eyepieces.
And sharpness is exemplary. I was using it on the Moon a couple nights ago and the terminator was as sharp and detailed as I've ever seen it in that aperture.
Detail in craters was there, as well as the subtle shadowing from domes and lava flow edges.

So, I see no diminution of sharpness in the 5mm Delite, compared to the 7mm, and would heartily recommend the eyepiece.
The 5mm gave me pretty much my best view of Saturn seen in the 4" during the last apparition. Even the coloration differences between rings (white)
and bands on the planet (golden yellow) was readily apparent every time. Contrast is not only a black and white thing, but also shows up in color rendition,
and it is here the Delite really shines.

So comments made by others about the 5mm Delite leave me mystified. It's one of the series I'd strongly recommend.

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Re: ES62 5.5mm vs. DeLite 5mm?
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2018, 11:12:06 AM »
I was pleasantly surprised by the edge performance of the 5.5mm ES62 in my f/7.5 APO. It is sharp almost to the field stop. The 32mm and 26mm have the edge falloff.

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Re: ES62 5.5mm vs. DeLite 5mm?
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2018, 09:45:55 AM »
Thanks all. I agree the slightly negative DeLite 5mm reports are unexpected but there are enough of them to give me pause. I don't expect the ES to be quite as good but at this point it's cheap enough to just try one whereas I'd want to feel more sure about the DeLite.

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Re: ES62 5.5mm vs. DeLite 5mm?
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2018, 05:46:48 PM »
The negative reports on the 5mm Delite are the same two people repeating themselves.
Take the information with a grain of salt.
You should do that with all eyepiece comments, really, including my own.

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Re: ES62 5.5mm vs. DeLite 5mm?
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2018, 05:40:11 AM »
The 2 people that initially told me about the 5.5 DeLite issues are not on CN for what that's worth. What I was really hoping for was a direct comparison of how close the ES is to DeLite. I'm looking for user friendly mostly planetary but also doubles and such (vague, I know) at a FL that I don't use too much and these seem like some best options along with maybe Tak LE and Pentax XL. I'll try the ES and if I don't love it I'll look for something else.