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specconcheckre

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Why did you sell your Ethos?
« on: December 29, 2017, 04:04:41 AM »
I've been browsing around the CN classifieds and other places, and it seems that there is quite a used market for the Ethos eyepieces out there. They are selling for maybe <strike>60</strike> 75% of retail, and one or two come up for resale per week. I'm trying to reconcile that with the glowing reviews that some people have of them. Clearly some folks dearly love their ultra-widefield Ethos eyepieces. For those who sold them off, why did you?

I don't ask in the sense of "how could you do that!!??", but in the genuinely curious sense of "I was thinking of getting one, and need to know the counterpoints."

Thanks,



chionewssesu

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Re: Why did you sell your Ethos?
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2017, 12:25:05 AM »
Good question, I was wondering myself. I'm not selling mine, I find them comfortable and "immersive."

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Re: Why did you sell your Ethos?
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2017, 05:57:17 PM »
A few of the folks I asked that question of gave answers like... I'm going into EAA... I'm retiring out of the hobby...

I'm not sure I've seen too ma 60% below retail for used... most I see are about 75%... and TV sometimes does about 10% on sale...

Levi Cruse

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Re: Why did you sell your Ethos?
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2018, 10:45:05 AM »
I had several but ended up selling them primarily because my time spent in this hobby is really rather limited. I've not had one night out this year!

It was sort of nagging at me, having all the $$ tied up without getting any enjoyment out of them.

But....

I've re-bought just about all that I had because I realized that these really are (or can be) lifetime eyepieces. I really can't find any eyepiece (and I've had just about all of them) that provides anything for me that these don't.

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Re: Why did you sell your Ethos?
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2018, 12:10:58 PM »
A guess...

100 degrees is something everyone who can afford it would like to try, but some will love 100 degrees and not want anything else while others find 100 degrees less comfortable. It is less comfortable due to less eye relief or having to move your eye around to see the entire field of view. It is a lot of money to have tied up in eyepieces if they don't love them so they sell.

I have the Ethos and like them but I prefer using other eyepieces more often.

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Re: Why did you sell your Ethos?
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2018, 08:21:27 AM »
I haven’t yet, but my 10mm and 6mm will be sold in the near future.

Reason is simply that, while optically superlative, the 15mm eyerelief combined with 100 degree AFOV makes for less comfortable viewing (especially with glasses) than the equally superlative Delos series.

Other dislikes are lack of parfocality (the 6mm is parfocal with my other TV EPs when used with TVs high-hat 2”-1.25” adapter, the 10mm is not. Not even close) I also dislike the dual barrel which forces you to align a notch in the barrel with the set screw when used in 1.25” mode every time you change EPs.

I’ll hold on to my 21mm for the time being. For some reason I don’t find the eyerelief/AFOV combination as bothersome as I do with the shorter focal lengths.

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Re: Why did you sell your Ethos?
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2018, 10:30:06 AM »
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This need not be a problem, the 13 mm and 8 mm Ethos I recently purchased had 2 inch barrel extenders so they're 2 inch eyepiece's unless I want to use them as 1.25 inch eyepiece's.

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Re: Why did you sell your Ethos?
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2018, 05:52:00 PM »
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<p class="citation">QuoteI also dislike the dual barrel which forces you to align a notch in the barrel with the set screw when used in 1.25” mode every time you change EPs.

This need not be a problem, the 13 mm and 8 mm Ethos I recently purchased had 2 inch barrel extenders so they're 2 inch eyepiece's unless I want to use them as 1.25 inch eyepiece's.

Jon[/quote]

That is certainly an option. Either the TV or Baader versions. I do like my 1.25” 2.5x PowerMate however, so it was not for me.

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Re: Why did you sell your Ethos?
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2018, 10:44:53 PM »
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It is less comfortable due to less eye relief or having to move your eye around to see the entire field of view.

I never try to see the full FoV... I like them because I am not limited to what can be seen... I don't like picture frame viewing... I look in the center and at the object... I never founda reason to search around unless there is actually something there to see, in which case it would be missedif usinga narrower eyepiece...

I wear trifocals... but never wear glasses while doing visual astronomy... they get in the way, put smudges on my lenses... and I find it easy to focus to my liking w/o them...

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Re: Why did you sell your Ethos?
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2018, 08:14:42 PM »
I have the 21, 13, 8 and 6mm Ethos and for a year I also had the 4.7mm and 3.7mm Ethos SX's. I eventually sold the 4.7 and 3.7 because, after much comparison, I found that my Pentax XW 5mm and 3.5mm were just a touch sharper so those got used more often.

I have a 1.25" set of the Panoptic 24, Delos 17.3 and Pentax XW's in 10, 7, 5 and 3.5mm and those get used in my refractors more than the Ethos do.

When I use my 12" dob (which is pretty often) the Ethos set comes out and really earns it's keep.

My most recent additions are the Leica ASPH zoom plus the Baader VIP barlow so it will be interesting to see how that pairing affects my feelings on the other eyepieces that I have.

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Re: Why did you sell your Ethos?
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2018, 11:15:28 PM »
Ethoi are an expense ? Say it isn't so !

Buy once, cry once.

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Re: Why did you sell your Ethos?
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2018, 03:45:43 PM »
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Ethoi are an expense ? Say it isn't so !

Buy once, cry once.


Since this is about selling off an Ethos rather than buying one in the first place, I'll interpret that as "It wasn't that much better than $other_expensive_eyepiece_I_was_upgrading, so I sold it back off."

I could see that.

Randy Ott

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Re: Why did you sell your Ethos?
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2018, 06:08:25 AM »
Well, I think the question is wether Ethos is the right choice for _you_. There may be some EPs that are marginally better in some respects, like John found, but the differences will be slight. For me, comfort is more important than having more FOV than I can easily take in, so I went with Delos. Jeff obviously disagrees, which is fine. To each their own.

If possible, try before you buy. Or buy used and sell on if you find you prefer other designs.

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Re: Why did you sell your Ethos?
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2018, 01:34:05 AM »
I sold the 6mm after it became stuck in the Paracorr 2 during a session thesecond time.

That extremely poor 1.25/2" design that requires a 2" extension for best use as a 2" in a P2 is also a victim of poor stack-ups that twice allowed the brass ring of the P2 to catch at the gap between the ep and extension. The 1st time I thought it a fluke and ordered a replacement ring. (TV treated it like a big deal and me like a scofflaw, waiting some considerable number of days until my $8.25 check proved to not be rubber before shipping the piece. Maybe they're used to cheap frauds.) But the second time I did a much more thorough failure analysis finding after measuring carefully that the design and manufacture made it a likely case. And yes, I have heard from others who've had the same experience.

So I bought the 8 &amp; 6mm Delos to fit between the 10 &amp; 4.7 Ethos. Nice ep's with maybe better optical performance.

I really like the Ethos wide fields and optics and I wish they'd done even a decent job of the ergonomic design and manufacture of the housings of the 1.25/2" versions. They should've been like the SX's and like the WO's, Stellarvue's and Lunt/APM's.

Others disagree. That's fine. My opinions are based on my own experience.

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Re: Why did you sell your Ethos?
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2018, 10:36:27 PM »
I didn't because I never owned one in the first place.