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Manish Konakanchi

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Re: Astronomy has me disappointed
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2018, 04:27:50 AM »
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It's just the chemicals talking.

I could use some good chemicals....151 with coke on the side

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Re: Astronomy has me disappointed
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2018, 05:30:58 AM »
It appears that it's not astronomy that disappoints you, it's the people. The title is misleading.
As for detachment, I like how this hobby brings a bit of perspective and takes the sting out of everyday tempests in a teacup. My hot head cools under the stars.
I also like cats. Just like the sky, you cannot tame it. It will come to you when it sees fit. You have to make yourselves available.

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Re: Astronomy has me disappointed
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2018, 06:35:24 PM »
Once you truly have perspective, you realise how insignificant humanity, our pursuits, and the earth is.

Perspective is a funny thing. It changes.

Lose your job and have difficulty paying for rent and food or have a health crisis that might take your very life and those photons that travelled so far for you to see may not seem as significant.

As I said, perspective is a funny thing, unless you are them, you really don't know.

So being judgemental is not called for.

Perhaps empathy can be the next step in your awareness journey.

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Re: Astronomy has me disappointed
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2018, 04:03:09 AM »
In reply to the OP. First, welcome to the forums, you've come to a great place for everything astronomy!

"I'm just in awe/disappointed of how certain people are of their place and never significantly wonder about things other than their day to day living. Does anyone else experience feelings like this or am I way off? I'm starting to feel detached from society."

Just because we are in this hobby, does not mean everyone should share our interest! Most people do have to worry about their day to day living, over hobbies. And, this is exactly what our interests in the night sky are; a hobby. You say your family is not interested in spending time at the eyepiece with you; do you spend time with them with their hobbies/interests? You say that you are starting to feel detached from society. This is not what our hobby & pursuits should result in, rather continue enjoying our times with astronomy/the universe, and don't judge others because they do not share the same interest. You cannot force others to like/enjoy something that they have no interest in, so relax & enjoy your time wandering around our vast night skies, soaking in the beauty; and don't dwell on those that have other interests, & things to do in life.

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Re: Astronomy has me disappointed
« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2018, 06:06:58 AM »
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It appears that it's not astronomy that disappoints you, it's the people. The title is misleading.
As for detachment, I like how this hobby brings a bit of perspective and takes the sting out of everyday tempests in a teacup. My hot head cools under the stars.
I also like cats. Just like the sky, you cannot tame it. It will come to you when it sees fit. You have to make yourselves available.


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Re: Astronomy has me disappointed
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2018, 06:37:37 AM »
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Once you truly have perspective, you realise how insignificant humanity, our pursuits, and the earth is.

Perspective is a funny thing. It changes.

Lose your job and have difficulty paying for rent and food or have a health crisis that might take your very life and those photons that travelled so far for you to see may not seem as significant.

As I said, perspective is a funny thing, unless you are them, you really don't know.

So being judgemental is not called for.

Perhaps empathy can be the next step in your awareness journey.

I can see how you may have taken the post.

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Re: Astronomy has me disappointed
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2018, 07:31:09 AM »
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Ever since I saw Hale-Bopp as a young kid, I've been interested in the cosmos and observing what we can. Now that I've settled down after college and doing my part to provide value to society (job), I've became even more interested/involved in this avocation/lifestyle. Not just observing but also learning by reading about the things we observe and the possible explanations of why/things are. However, it has become painfully clear how little humanity cares about the cosmos. In fact, if NASA pointed the powerful Hubble telescope at the earth they still wouldn't be able to locate America's interest in astronomy (I'm exaggerating-work with me). Even my own family feigns interest for a little while for my benefit but they don't stay up late with me at the eyepiece. The more I get involved with astronomy the less I care about social status, politics, and news. I really don't care. Once you truly have perspective, you realize how insignificant humanity, our pursuits, and the earth is. It's all ephemeral and I'm just in awe/disappointed of how certain people are of their place and never significantly wonder about things other than their day to day living. Does anyone else experience feelings like this or am I way off? I'm starting to feel detached from society.

This is interesting.....I agree but you list all of the reasons why I like astronomy.

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Re: Astronomy has me disappointed
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2018, 01:28:02 PM »
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Ever since I saw Hale-Bopp as a young kid, I've been interested in the cosmos and observing what we can. Now that I've settled down after college and doing my part to provide value to society (job), I've became even more interested/involved in this avocation/lifestyle. Not just observing but also learning by reading about the things we observe and the possible explanations of why/things are. However, it has become painfully clear how little humanity cares about the cosmos. In fact, if NASA pointed the powerful Hubble telescope at the earth they still wouldn't be able to locate America's interest in astronomy (I'm exaggerating-work with me). Even my own family feigns interest for a little while for my benefit but they don't stay up late with me at the eyepiece. The more I get involved with astronomy the less I care about social status, politics, and news. I really don't care. Once you truly have perspective, you realize how insignificant humanity, our pursuits, and the earth is. It's all ephemeral and I'm just in awe/disappointed of how certain people are of their place and never significantly wonder about things other than their day to day living. Does anyone else experience feelings like this or am I way off? I'm starting to feel detached from society.

For me, it has never mattered much if anyone else shares an interest that I have. I am interested in it. Why does everything need to be done in a group, or have others involved?

I taught myself to read Greek and Latin. Do I really need someone to sit around and watch me read?

I have a few observing buddies that share my interest in astronomy. They observe with me sometimes at dark sites. But if they aren't able to be there, I go anyway and enjoy observing objects in the night sky. Why shouldn't I?

IME, some of my worst nights of observing - or attempting to observe - were when there was a crowd of people at the dark site. For me, when I'm observing, a dozen or more is a crowd. Too much chatting, kids running around, dogs getting in your way, newbies with white light flashlights, people who ought to know better with white light coming from their vehicles, amateur astronomers who really ought to know better with bright red lights, goto scopes grinding away, even people playing guitars.

On second thought, maybe it would not be a good thing if many more people were interested in amateur astronomy. Do we want our dark sites to become like state fairs?  Next they'll be selling faint-fuzzy cotton candy and comet glow sticks!

No, it really does not matter to me if no one else shares my interest in astronomy.

But then there's always Cloudy Nights, isn't there?

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Re: Astronomy has me disappointed
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2018, 05:10:47 PM »
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I think you need a club! Not to beat your family and friends with. One to join so you can find a few people to share a common bond with. Then again you may have found that nirvana here on CN. Most of us have from time to time had that Warden in a fire tower feeling and wondered if the solitude was some form of self inflicted purgatory that we endure so that others don't have to. Don't stop occasionally reaching out to the unwashed masses, you may miss an opportunity to make a difference to someone like Bobby. Bobby was a coworker of mine, he was about my age and almost ready to retire, only ever spoke of wine, women and song. I had never sat down and had a "normal" conversation with him until I found myself sitting alone with him at a cafeteria table during lunch break on a 6pm to 6am shift. I usually carried an Astronomy mag in my lunch box and he spoke first and asked what I was reading. I slid the well worn copy across the table to him half expecting him to quickly slide it back before he could catch something from it. Instead something caught his eye and he began to flip through the mag. Then he was asking questions and muttering things like amazing, beautiful and is that real? When break was over I told Bobby to keep the soon to be replaced copy and enjoy it Almost every month for the rest of the time we worked together Bobby got my old Astronomy mag and we had many enjoyable talks during breaks. I got my most satisfaction when Bobby surprised me as I passed him my latest hand-me- down and he said " you know I look forward to getting these more than any of the porn mags I get," Now that brought a smile to my face and brought me one step closer to the Exit gate of my Purgatory.
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Re: Astronomy has me disappointed
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2018, 07:39:21 PM »
Jon

You almost had me 100% except for........"We indeed are bits of tiny insignificance...."

Tiny- yes
Insignificant - no

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Re: Astronomy has me disappointed
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2018, 07:56:20 PM »
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Ever since I saw Hale-Bopp as a young kid, I've been interested in the cosmos and observing what we can. Now that I've settled down after college and doing my part to provide value to society (job), I've became even more interested/involved in this avocation/lifestyle. Not just observing but also learning by reading about the things we observe and the possible explanations of why/things are. However, it has become painfully clear how little humanity cares about the cosmos. In fact, if NASA pointed the powerful Hubble telescope at the earth they still wouldn't be able to locate America's interest in astronomy (I'm exaggerating-work with me). Even my own family feigns interest for a little while for my benefit but they don't stay up late with me at the eyepiece. The more I get involved with astronomy the less I care about social status, politics, and news. I really don't care. Once you truly have perspective, you realize how insignificant humanity, our pursuits, and the earth is. It's all ephemeral and I'm just in awe/disappointed of how certain people are of their place and never significantly wonder about things other than their day to day living. Does anyone else experience feelings like this or am I way off? I'm starting to feel detached from society.

This is interesting.....I agree but you list all of the reasons why I like astronomy.
Maybe feeling detached from society is not such a bad thing. I enjoy that feeling whenever I can!Mikew

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Re: Astronomy has me disappointed
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2018, 10:08:43 PM »
"You pretty much share my same heartache."

I don't understand why you feel this way because others don't share your interest. I've lived alone for 20+ years, go sometimes 3 weeks or more without talking to anyone in person. I observe alone always, except for the few wonderful times some moderators and administrators from CN have visited. Was it great to have others to observe with? Indeed it was! Did it make my observing alone less great? Absolutely not.

As others have said, find a club near you; that way you will be with people that share this fantastic hobby, rather than having a heartache over family/friends that do not share your interest.

During my marriage, my husband & I had very different interests & hobbies. Neither of us were interested in participating in the other's pursuits. However, we did fully support each other's. Just because we weren't interested, didn't mean we couldn't enjoy our interests, without feeling disillusioned because the other didn't enjoy it!

The interest in astronomy is not for everyone, and be happy that you have discovered it, and go out & enjoy it without worrying about the lack of interest from others.

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Re: Astronomy has me disappointed
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2018, 05:55:42 AM »
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Ever since I saw Hale-Bopp as a young kid, I've been interested in the cosmos and observing what we can. Now that I've settled down after college and doing my part to provide value to society (job), I've became even more interested/involved in this avocation/lifestyle. Not just observing but also learning by reading about the things we observe and the possible explanations of why/how things are. However, it has become painfully clear how little humanity cares about the cosmos. In fact, if NASA pointed the powerful Hubble telescope at the earth they still wouldn't be able to locate America's interest in astronomy (I'm exaggerating-work with me). Even my own family feigns interest for a little while for my benefit but they don't stay up late with me at the eyepiece. The more I get involved with astronomy the less I care about social status, politics, and news. I really don't care. Once you truly have perspective, you realize how insignificant humanity, our pursuits, and the earth is. It's all ephemeral and I'm just in awe/disappointed of how certain people are of their place and never significantly wonder about things other than their day to day living. Does anyone else experience feelings like this or am I way off? I'm starting to feel detached from society.

Perhaps do some outreach.
Sidewalk, neighborhood, solo, or with a club.
Keep it simple, and as futz free as possible.
An ep or two, on a few bright easy targets.
Be an anonymous astronomical blessing in other peoples lives.
It's good for them, and good for you.

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Re: Astronomy has me disappointed
« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2018, 10:56:22 AM »
Yes, involvement with outreach might be what the Topic Starter needs. Not my cup of tea. But that's OK. Not everyone likes tea.Mike

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Re: Astronomy has me disappointed
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2018, 09:07:28 AM »
Sizematters,  . Its a gift , not everyone GETS it. We do it ALONE mostly , gene