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Re: Swearing off the hobby...
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2018, 11:50:07 AM »
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If you don't feel like lugging out your equipment then that just means you need some equipment that is not a chore to take out. Maybe something like an 80mm APO on a Vixen Porta II mount. Or a nice pair of binoculars.
This.

I don't know how many times I've warned beginners NOT to buy a large telescope, before they have bought a small one, but beginners are obsessed with big telescopes. I don't know how many times I've seen beginners buy a huge telescope, despite warnings, only to sell it "in like new condition, only used four times" a year or two later, often with the excuse that "they don't have time for the hobby any more" or something like that

A big telescope is nice, but only if you have the energy to use it.

Some people think it's great, because this gives a steady supply of large, mint condition scopes for budget prices, but I'd actually rather have the extra people in the hobby.

I wish people would understand, that a telescope is NOT a TV, you can't just turn it on and it'll show you the universe. A telescope is like a violin or a painter's canvas, the user determines the result. Clear skies!
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Re: Swearing off the hobby...
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2018, 06:34:56 PM »
These threads come up now and then, and the usual advise is "DON'T SELL YOUR EQUIPMENT." Yeah, if you've got a telescope farm in your living room, you might want to thin the herd, but don't do it when your enthusiasm is down.
Me? I have slow, inactive periods when all I do is run out with binoculars or naked eye for a quick look at the night, but I've been using the same scope for 40 years, and I'll NEVER sell it. If my kids don't want it, THEY can sell it when they're disposing of their late father's stuff. Sooner or later, the DSO's start calling...
 Marty

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Re: Swearing off the hobby...
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2018, 12:38:08 PM »
I feel your pain. My work schedule for the last few years has had me up at 5:30 AM, 6 days a week. That made meaningful observing pretty tough. It always seemed that on the best nights, I had something else I had to do. Lots of gear collecting dust  I did keep myself occupied by reading books and magazines and also hanging out here on CN I held onto the equipment though knowing my day would eventually come. I'll move into semi-retirement next week and those early mornings will finally be a thing of the past. On top of that, my mother-in-law will be moving in with us. She's very easy to get along with and will keep my wife occupied on those nights that I want to observe, keeping her from feeling lonely. All in all, I expect things to get much better soon

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Re: Swearing off the hobby...
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2018, 02:46:01 PM »
As I tend to have in effect small scopes it never seems sense to get rid of them. They can sit somewhere quet until I decide to drag one out and have a look at something.

A club that is actually more "social" then "astronomical" actually helps (bit odd) as you can head there and it is sort of optional to have a scope or simply enjoy the evening.

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Re: Swearing off the hobby...
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2018, 03:12:57 PM »
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Anyone else go through this?

You get to a point in life where the clouds seamlessly never end, you start feeling pain in areas you never knew you had, and don't feel like lugging the equipment out on the only clear night of the month which also coincides with midnight on a Wednesday when you have to be up at 5:30 for work the next morning.

So you decide to sell everything and swear to your better half that you are done. No more equipment. No more filling the house with countless telescopes, mounts, filters, etc.6 months roll by and you notice stretches of clear nights that never would have happened when you had that special planet killer or milky way sweeper at your disposal. You start telling yourself "you know, I bet that truss tube dob won't be so heavy to lift". Boom, you buy it. Well crap, now I need eyepieces to go with it. $$$$. You get back on cloudynights and notice the amazing shots folks are getting of the sun lately, darn I miss the Ha telescope I had but I think this white light filter will do. $$$. Nope, I need Ha.$$$$$$$$$. Man, Cak looks cool. $$$$ But I don't have a decent lightweight refractor to image with. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Sorry honey.....
If you don't feel like lugging out your equipment then that just means you need some equipment that is not a chore to take out. Maybe something like an 80mm APO on a Vixen Porta II mount. Or a nice pair of binoculars.
Absolutely agree. Astronomy is like a number of other hobbies (the closest I'm familiar with is photography, but it's also present in musical instruments, audiophilia, woodworking, etc) where people tend to progress up the acquisition hill (new lenses, new bodies, etc) only to get overwhelmed, burnt out, etc and start downgrading and simplifying over time. For some people the arc takes decades and tens of thousands of dollars; for the luckiest, it doesn't happen at all. But I've noticed that a great many people follow this path. Not just in hobbies, but also in home ownership and other areas of life.

Overall, once you have enough, the less you have, the less you stress. Or to put it another way, less is more. There are dozens of other statements and philosophies that speak to the same idea.

Personally, I get aperture fever too, especially since I'm just revisiting the hobby at a deeper level for the first time in many years. But it takes me 2 minutes to get my 130mm OneSky out the door and fully set up. Aside from specialty 8-16" f/3 dobs, pretty much anything larger would take more time and involve carrying more stuff, and those are expensive! However, a tabletop telescope, a small (<10lbs) OTA with an alt-az tripod, or a pair of binoculars will give you a <3m setup time and make going out for a <30m session "worth it", which means you'll find yourself going out more (and making fewer excuses to stay in). It honestly takes me longer to dress up for mosquito protection (a wool hat, my eyepatch, a long-sleeved shirt, a jacket, a mosquito net, pajama pants, a pair of jeans, socks, boots, and gloves) than it does to get the telescope and binoculars out of the house and in observing position.

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Re: Swearing off the hobby...
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2018, 07:50:50 PM »
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Anyone else go through this?

You get to a point in life where the clouds seamlessly never end, you start feeling pain in areas you never knew you had, and don't feel like lugging the equipment out on the only clear night of the month which also coincides with midnight on a Wednesday when you have to be up at 5:30 for work the next morning.

So you decide to sell everything and swear to your better half that you are done. No more equipment. No more filling the house with countless telescopes, mounts, filters, etc.6 months roll by and you notice stretches of clear nights that never would have happened when you had that special planet killer or milky way sweeper at your disposal. You start telling yourself "you know, I bet that truss tube dob won't be so heavy to lift". Boom, you buy it. Well crap, now I need eyepieces to go with it. $$$$. You get back on cloudynights and notice the amazing shots folks are getting of the sun lately, darn I miss the Ha telescope I had but I think this white light filter will do. $$$. Nope, I need Ha.$$$$$$$$$. Man, Cak looks cool. $$$$ But I don't have a decent lightweight refractor to image with. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Sorry honey.....
If you don't feel like lugging out your equipment then that just means you need some equipment that is not a chore to take out. Maybe something like an 80mm APO on a Vixen Porta II mount. Or a nice pair of binoculars.
That's exactly what I did, an 80ed on a gt mount. Easy as pie to lift out the door and enjoy.My post was more about humor and frustrations than anything else.

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Re: Swearing off the hobby...
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2018, 08:19:33 AM »
A lot of people talk about the perspective astronomy can give you on time and space. I wouldn't claim to have fully learned that lesson. But I use my telescopes about once a month, but I know that will add up over a long period of time. There will be some really good oppositions, comets, meteor showers, eclipses... maybe even a supernova?

The nice thing about telescopes is they can be a lifelong purchase. Hopefully, the telescopes I bought in the last 2 years will be functional for another 30+ years. Even if I "quit" for an entire decade, they'll still be waiting for me. If you look at it on that timescale, the bad weather of the last 1-2 years looks pretty insignificant.

Not saying I don't respect your reasons though... I can think of way too many times where I felt (more like knew) I was crazy during my hours-long drives to some random, dark, remote location, or spending more money than I care to think about. After the "perspective" lesson I think I need to work on "moderation."

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Re: Swearing off the hobby...
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2018, 10:29:32 AM »
My advice to CN'rs out there--never sell your astronomy stuff, unless you sell it to buy different astronomy stuff.

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Re: Swearing off the hobby...
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2018, 12:17:05 PM »
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These threads come up now and then, and the usual advise is "DON'T SELL YOUR EQUIPMENT." Yeah, if you've got a telescope farm in your living room, you might want to thin the herd, but don't do it when your enthusiasm is down.
Me? I have slow, inactive periods when all I do is run out with binoculars or naked eye for a quick look at the night, but I've been using the same scope for 40 years, and I'll NEVER sell it. If my kids don't want it, THEY can sell it when they're disposing of their late father's stuff. Sooner or later, the DSO's start calling...
 Marty

The DSO's start calling when we pass? I like that alliteration.

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Re: Swearing off the hobby...
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2018, 07:21:53 AM »
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These threads come up now and then, and the usual advise is "DON'T SELL YOUR EQUIPMENT." Yeah, if you've got a telescope farm in your living room, you might want to thin the herd, but don't do it when your enthusiasm is down.
Me? I have slow, inactive periods when all I do is run out with binoculars or naked eye for a quick look at the night, but I've been using the same scope for 40 years, and I'll NEVER sell it. If my kids don't want it, THEY can sell it when they're disposing of their late father's stuff. Sooner or later, the DSO's start calling...
 Marty

The DSO's start calling when we pass? I like that alliteration.
Well, a number of old legends have us walking the Milky Way...
 Marty

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Re: Swearing off the hobby...
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2018, 07:43:11 PM »
I'm thankful to have an ST80 and a C80ED, either of which fit my eq2 mount.  Ease of use can make a difference.

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Re: Swearing off the hobby...
« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2018, 08:32:51 AM »
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Anyone else go through this?

You get to a point in life where the clouds seamlessly never end, you start feeling pain in areas you never knew you had, and don't feel like lugging the equipment out on the only clear night of the month which also coincides with midnight on a Wednesday when you have to be up at 5:30 for work the next morning.

So you decide to sell everything and swear to your better half that you are done. No more equipment. No more filling the house with countless telescopes, mounts, filters, etc.6 months roll by and you notice stretches of clear nights that never would have happened when you had that special planet killer or milky way sweeper at your disposal. You start telling yourself "you know, I bet that truss tube dob won't be so heavy to lift". Boom, you buy it. Well crap, now I need eyepieces to go with it. $$$$. You get back on cloudynights and notice the amazing shots folks are getting of the sun lately, darn I miss the Ha telescope I had but I think this white light filter will do. $$$. Nope, I need Ha.$$$$$$$$$. Man, Cak looks cool. $$$$ But I don't have a decent lightweight refractor to image with. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Sorry honey.....
Dave,, get a grip on your self man !  I sold all my stuff 10 years ago and had to start all over again !! This time I bought a small easy to set up scope,, I used to have a 20in. dob,, 150 pounds ! Now I have 2 easy to use refractors and my 2 observing buddies have big dobs we use at our dark sky site,, ha ha !!

My 90mm refractor is a 30 second set up and give nice views !

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Re: Swearing off the hobby...
« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2018, 10:29:31 AM »
To the OP. I don't think you mentioned if you had a pair of binoculars or not. They are perfect for those nights when the scopes feel like too much hassle. I'm sure you have heard this before but it is so so true so I thought I'd mention it once more. It's actually pretty fun picking out the Messiers within a huge field of stars. Many nights I don't feel like getting a scope out but then after five or ten minutes on the back patio with the binos, I end seeing something that I want to get a closer look at and it leads into an hour or more with the scope.