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Bob Meade

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A "basic video" about light pollution
« on: December 29, 2017, 03:13:45 AM »
So, I haven't made it yet, but I have a script written.  I will still need to compile A LOT of "b-roll" video footage (the video you see while the narration describes what is being seen).  But my thought is that a lot of these light pollution issues need to be fought at the local level.  And I know many of us do not know exactly where to start, or how to approach local municipalities.Therefore, this video could be an ideal "opening statement" for any of you to be able to use when addressing local governments about light pollution.  I will be including a large amount of reference link material, and the vast, vast majority of what I cover has nothing to do with astronomy or stars - mostly it will be about these issues:Safety and securityCrimeHealthCosts (financial)Would this be a beneficial resource to have?  It will take quite a bit of time for me to put together, so I want to be sure that people here actually might use such a resource.  I know it is hard to gauge that without seeing the finished project, but if you've seen my "Eyes on the Sky" videos, you have some idea of the level of quality video I can put together.Would something like this make it more likely for you to be able to approach your local government about light pollution?  Anything else you'd like to see covered in this?  I don't want it to run more than about 8 or 10 minutes, so that it doesn't drone on and on.  But instead of YOU having to make that "opening argument," this video can do it for you, and you can then make the case for your area afterwards.Thoughts and feedback?



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Re: A "basic video" about light pollution
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2017, 04:57:37 AM »
Anybody?

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Re: A "basic video" about light pollution
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2017, 05:53:52 AM »
Dave, I think your concept is very good.  I know that I would find a brief video helpful in explaining light pollution.  I'm still amazed at the number of people who haven't heard the term.From my perspective the arguments that carry the most weight are "security, security and security" with "safety" thrown in alongside.  The first response to crime issues is almost always "more lighting" rather than "better lighting".  If we can't win that argument with solid examples, we'll never get to the other supporting arguments.Thank you for doing this.-Tom

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Re: A "basic video" about light pollution
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2017, 10:05:18 AM »
Hi again, I really think you are onto something here. in the past when I have appeared in front of council I was getting myself in trouble if the presentations were too long, most presentations should be no longer than 10 minutes..so your length of the video is good..Most council members are more interested in getting out of chambers at a reasonable time instead of listening to long presentations.The best part of your idea is that you are actually  showing them through video. Video and images make more of a statement with the audience then diagrams and words...after all the audience gets to "see" the issue for themselves; it is not abstract problem anymore it becomes real and a solution needs to be found.I know that I hate doing presentations...they are nerve racking no matter what and having all those eyes watching a screen instead of you can get rid of a lot of nervous energy so you as the messenger can focus on the message instead of trying in vain to calm yourself down.Once again I think you have a really great idea and I wish you a lot of luck...I know I am still working on this side of the boarder to get the same message across..it is an uphill battle but I am a stuborn person anyway

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Re: A "basic video" about light pollution
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2017, 04:07:31 PM »
Hi Dave, Please accept my sincere encouragement for your idea! Sounds terrific, to me! It would be great to have all of the possible resources available to create meaningful presentations in any venue where films like you describe can be shared. Our group uses short films to begin our star party events all the time and light pollution films are hard to come by, aside from those like City Dark. Sadly, showing City Dark costs $175.00 for a single showing and since we provide our shows pro bono, it is impossible to take advantage of this film because we simply can't afford to be infringing on the film makers rights. And, at those costs, we would need to charge the attendees and that would make us become a different group. Not what we want.....How would your film be accessed and what would be required to show it?Thanks, Tom

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Re: A "basic video" about light pollution
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2017, 06:53:51 PM »
First, let me say THANK YOU!  When I posted that and didn't get any response, I wondered if there was any interest (though I would have gone ahead, since I will be using the video for my own local political presentation).  But this response is very encouraging.

To give a little more information about what I am planning:

Yes, security is going to be a major highlight.  Crime info is strongly correlated with this, and costs associated with crime and security tie in as well.  Although health is not directly related, the reason people turn so many darned lights on is fear, plain and simple.  If there is a valid reason to be afraid of using so much light at night because it is making us sick, that is a fear-based argument for turning them down or off. 

I'd love to say that we can just make a bunch of logical, rational arguments and think we will change hearts and minds.  Unfortunately, that's not how the human mind works.  Major political parties have figured out that appealing to emotions by SOUNDING like you are using fact-based arguments is the way to sway voters.  Well, that's similar to the approach I'll be taking; however, I recognize that we are coming from an unpopular point of view.  Therefore, EVERYTHING I will be arguing IS backed up by facts, because nothing is easier to pick apart than an unpopular position by dismissing it as not being factual.  I will be providing significant evidence for you to provide to back up what the video will discuss.

This will be free for anyone to use - posted on YouTube in HD format.  Of course, if you'd like to donate money to it, that would be sincerely appreciated, as I will have to do a lot of driving to get the right b-roll footage, and will have to purchase quite a bit of stock footage and photos to complete it (never mind my time).  I will even have printable fact sheets that can be downloaded so you can answer questions, and provide links to the evidence for any interested parties.  I have some other ideas for waging an effective "smarter lighting" campaign, but this video will be one of the largest components of it.

I look at it this way: If I can help you more easily present this to your local municipality, maybe you can make headway on reducing light pollution in your area.  And as someone who is a Communications major, took Argumentation and Debate, and is currently in sales, I understand that the use of both facts and emotion to sway opinion matters.  And I want to knock down the majority of "objections" you may encounter through the video itself, so you don't have to answer many of those - they'll be answered for you.

Looking forward to additional thoughts as I continue work on this.

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Re: A "basic video" about light pollution
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2018, 01:15:28 PM »
Excellent, Dave! When do expect your film will be released?Thanks, and best wishes!Tom

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Re: A "basic video" about light pollution
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2018, 06:52:11 PM »
Tom, I don't know for sure.  I have quite a few things on my "to do" list, and compiling what I need for this one is a tall order.  It is one thing for me to make my weekly videos, where if I mess up I can offer an "Oops!" in the comments on YouTube and move on.  In this case, I will be trying to put together a strong argument for the case against light pollution and light trespass that may be used for quite some time.  I want to be certain it is not only complete, but accurate, and bulletproof with respect to the facts I state.  And I need to make that an emotionally-compelling case too!  No small task, to be sure.  Perhaps I can get it done in... a couple months' time...?  As I said, I'll need to put together quite a bit of video footage, and getting that - and getting it right - takes time, and money, and other resources.  I have discussed some other things I would like to put together for dark sky advocacy with some other folks here, and this video will tie in with that effort as well.  So there are many (currently) moving pieces that all need to get put into the right places.  But I think it will be worth the wait.

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Re: A "basic video" about light pollution
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2018, 12:24:47 AM »
Dave, I certainly think that this would be a great idea.  The more tools people have at their disposal the better.

I appreciate that you mention light pollution in *every* video that you are making now!

For those out there talking about light pollution I highly recommend you do this demo for you audience:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=XTjR4vef8JU

It very dramatically gets the point across. Yes, that is me from my previous job. I may have to re-do the video since I forgot to mention a few things and am no longer with Palomar.

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Re: A "basic video" about light pollution
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2018, 11:14:13 AM »
Thank you Scott.  It's been a long process getting here, but I want to help those who aren't sure how to proceed locally with making progress on this issue.  It's my way of doing what I can to help.  And the reason why I make the videos is to raise awareness about light pollution.  That's my motivation, because with that, there are a lot of weeks when I could very easily just say, "Ah, forget it - I'm too tired / uninspired / have better things to do / etc."  It's what keeps me going.

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Re: A "basic video" about light pollution
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2018, 07:59:03 AM »
i saw something a few years ago about many birds flying into windows and being killed because of light polution

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Re: A "basic video" about light pollution
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2018, 12:26:47 AM »
If you want to, when the video is made and it is not focusing too much on USA legislature,  I'm volunteering for translating the transcript, so you can make a Dutch subtitled version.

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Re: A "basic video" about light pollution
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2018, 11:13:37 PM »
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Dave, I certainly think that this would be a great idea.  The more tools people have at their disposal the better.

I appreciate that you mention light pollution in *every* video that you are making now!

For those out there talking about light pollution I highly recommend you do this demo for you audience:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=XTjR4vef8JU

It very dramatically gets the point across. .....

Astro Clubs that are a part of the Night Sky Network ( web page ) can get a free ‘kit’ on LP that includes the flashlight and other gizmos to do this demo, and others. The ‘kit’ also comes with a disk with a short but very good slide show on LP written and narrated by David Levy. My friends and I have done the demo and played the slide show at our observatory and out-reach programs at various state parks.

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Re: A "basic video" about light pollution
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2018, 11:37:38 PM »
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...... mostly it will be about these issues:

Safety and security
Crime
Health
Costs (financial)
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I think there other issues you may be missing that drive excessive lighting:

Many people actually like the look of dramatic artificial nighttime lighting because they see it as artistic and festive. Think of the lights on Niagara Falls. Others want to draw attention to their property with a “look what I have” motivation. I wonder what the colonial New Englanders would think if they could see their village churches today all lit up at night with flood lights rather than just natural starlight.

Also, there is a certain resistance to any suggestion of additional restrictions on what one can do with one’s own property, no matter how valuable the change may be.

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Re: A "basic video" about light pollution
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2018, 01:59:19 AM »
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Also, there is a certain resistance to any suggestion of additional restrictions on what one can do with one’s own property, no matter how valuable the change may be.


You have a valid point, but when the light leaves the property it becomes a community issue just like excessive sound from a party is a community issue.

-Tom