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ontoolhaiworl

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Re: A "basic video" about light pollution
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2018, 03:11:52 PM »
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i saw something a few years ago about many birds flying into windows and being killed because of light polution

Steven, this is a good point, though because there are many environmental issues that don't necessarily have wide agreement on causes / need for change, I plan to make a separate video for that, to appeal to the environmentally conscious.  I'm looking at this as more of a 'general info / appeal to the widest audience' type thing.

Eric Lara

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Re: A "basic video" about light pollution
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2018, 03:09:51 AM »
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If you want to, when the video is made and it is not focusing too much on USA legislature,  I'm volunteering for translating the transcript, so you can make a Dutch subtitled version.

Koen, thanks for this!  Though I am not making this to specifically be aimed at U.S. governmental organizations, because I think the issues of safety / security / costs / crime / health are ones that are shared pretty much universally around the world.  So it should fit fairly well with most other languages and cultures, I hope.

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Re: A "basic video" about light pollution
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2018, 01:44:48 PM »
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Astro Clubs that are a part of the Night Sky Network ( web page ) can get a free ‘kit’ on LP that includes the flashlight and other gizmos to do this demo, and others. The ‘kit’ also comes with a disk with a short but very good slide show on LP written and narrated by David Levy. My friends and I have done the demo and played the slide show at our observatory and out-reach programs at various state parks.

Which is helpful for clubs that are in the network, but what about individuals in clubs which do not belong?  What about other people who want to reduce light pollution and approach their municipality and do not know how?  The intent of this is not just to explain what light pollution is, but to make an emotionally appealing argument based on facts and evidence to sway small local governments into taking action.  This is not so much about communicating what light pollution is, but rather making the argument to make changes that will reduce the problem.

Because I am not familiar with the NASA slideshow, I simply ask this as a genuinely sincere question: Does their presentation do that?

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Re: A "basic video" about light pollution
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2018, 03:49:14 PM »
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<p class="citation">Quote...... mostly it will be about these issues:

Safety and security
Crime
Health
Costs (financial)
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I think there other issues you may be missing that drive excessive lighting:

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George, I appreciate the thoughts.  Note that I am not looking to find the causes of light pollution as much as appeal to the reasons why the excessive lighting not only is not needed, but is harmful to health, finances, and safety.  These are issues that people will have some emotional investment, as everyone wants to be safe, most people don't like seeing their tax dollars wasted, and if light is making people sick, that is something that will get people's attention.

I recognize people like to light up their property.  In fact, appealing to the health and crime-safety issues are PRECISELY aimed at those kinds of people, who don't want to be "told" what to do.  But if they are educated about the fact that excessive light is bad, and harmful to health, well, that's potentially a motivation for change.  Will it change EVERYONE'S mind?  No, of course not - and that won't ever happen.  But just like the idea that littering is bad and that polluting our rivers is bad, if we can generate sufficient public awareness of the problem that light pollution is bad too, then we can change those behaviors without resorting to ordinances - and make SOME progress.  That's the idea.

I don't expect this will change every lighting ordinance in the world.  In fact, I don't even suggest it is a good idea to go from "No ordinance" to "best dark sky ordinances ever written" in a single step anyway.  But if we can educate municipalities that THEIR lighting should change (for example, street lights / municipal buildings / parking lots lighting, etc.), that can educate the public that their personal property can benefit from better light practices too.  And more progressive-minded communities may wish to go farther - of so, great!  But this is a huge problem; I can't cover everything in one 8-10 minute video, either. 

"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step." - Chinese proverb.

I'm just trying to keep moving in the right direction on the journey.

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Re: A "basic video" about light pollution
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2018, 01:01:04 PM »
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<p class="citation">QuoteAstro Clubs that are a part of the Night Sky Network ( web page ) can get a free ‘kit’ on LP that includes the flashlight and other gizmos to do this demo, and others. The ‘kit’ also comes with a disk with a short but very good slide show on LP written and narrated by David Levy. My friends and I have done the demo and played the slide show at our observatory and out-reach programs at various state parks.

Which is helpful for clubs that are in the network, but what about individuals in clubs which do not belong?  What about other people who want to reduce light pollution and approach their municipality and do not know how?  ....[/quote]

Joining the NSN is free and I highly recommend that any astro club do it. For anyone attending NEAF: they will be there to provide information.

The NSN “LP Kit” is designed for clubs to us to make anti-LP presentations to the public or whomever. It provides multiple items, including scripts for presentations. The David Levy “slide show” disk that comes with it is very much intended for making the case for anti-LP action to the general public, not to mention that it features David. It also includes one copy of the anti-LP book intended for children. All of these items are free.

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Re: A "basic video" about light pollution
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2018, 06:16:03 PM »
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Joining the NSN is free

True - BUT ...only for U.S. based clubs - that have the means (i.e. - members willing to put in the time and effort) and ability (also members willing and able) to meet the requirements for joining and remaining as members. 

But that doesn't answer my question about clubs that do not belong or individuals looking for access to such materials.  What about environmentally-minded people who are not a part of a club?  What about people who do not live near a club that is a member?  What about non-U.S.-based citizens who would like to approach their local governments and lobby for light pollution reduction, since only U.S. based clubs are eligible?

Paul Syring

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Re: A "basic video" about light pollution
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2018, 08:25:07 PM »
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<p class="citation">QuoteJoining the NSN is free

True - BUT ...only for U.S. based clubs - that have the means (i.e. - members willing to put in the time and effort) and ability (also members willing and able) to meet the requirements for joining and remaining as members. 

But that doesn't answer my question about clubs that do not belong or individuals looking for access to such materials.  What about environmentally-minded people who are not a part of a club?  What about people who do not live near a club that is a member?  What about non-U.S.-based citizens who would like to approach their local governments and lobby for light pollution reduction, since only U.S. based clubs are eligible?    [/quote]

Owen Khan

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Re: A "basic video" about light pollution
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2018, 11:29:38 PM »
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<p class="citation">QuoteJoining the NSN is free

True - BUT ...only for U.S. based clubs - that have the means (i.e. - members willing to put in the time and effort) and ability (also members willing and able) to meet the requirements for joining and remaining as members. 

But that doesn't answer my question about clubs that do not belong or individuals looking for access to such materials. .....[/quote]

The David Levy presentation is available from the IDA for $15. There are several other anti-LP related CDs and DVDs also for a reasonable amount (but not the other contents of the NSN LP kit). Here's the link (look near the bottom of the page):  web page