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Richard Washington

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Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« on: January 04, 2018, 04:22:25 PM »
So my neighbor to the north has these two annoying lights that seem to be on whenever you don't want them and off when you don't care. I think they're motion-activated, but here's the thing: After being activated, they stay on for over 15 minutes.When he gets home the lights come on, when my cat goes in their yard the lights come on, when a squirrel is in their driveway the lights come on.....

The fence between our properties is thin and old, and it only blocks the light if you're quite close to it, obstructing much of the sky. It doesn't help that these same idiots keep their front porch light on all night, and have installed a stupid little decoration globe light in the front.

My mom and dad say not to worry about it, but it drives me crazy.

Meanwhile, across the street, these %@*&#$! idiots keep their porch lights on ALL NIGHT LONG. When I'm in the southern part of my yard with my ETX viewing the Moon and planets, they get RIGHT in my face. No shielding whatsoever on those lights.

The light pollution here is bad enough as it is (Limiting magnitude directly overhead is 5, at the horizon it's probably 3 or worse), how do I get these people to turn off their lights?



Michael Timmons

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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2018, 04:39:18 AM »
People often keep porch lights (technically, "entryway lights") on all night, for both security (or if you prefer, presumed security) and for courtesy reasons (ie courtesy to those who live or visit the home). shrug. that's their right and I have no qualms about it.

The on-again-off-again garage type lights...yes, quite annoying. (There's one couple a bit towards the NW of here who didn't bother to trim the trees around their sensor, so a slight breeze is enough to trip it..it stays on basically 24/7 with intermittent off periods, just long enough to make me exclaim , "finally, they've realized others live around here"... only to be shocked back into reality a little while later when the normal pattern kicks in) It's a bit like Chinese water torture.

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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2018, 05:52:01 AM »
Could be worse. These are at 1:00 AM.Imaging though, works very well, when there are no clouds, as can be seen by the stars visible in the second shot.

The last time I looked through a telescope and was amazed was when I was 10. Just too much light now.




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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2018, 06:25:06 AM »
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how do I get these people to turn off their lights?

People are not mind readers. They won't know that there is a problem until you communicate with them.

Be friendly & polite & discuss your hobby with them & ask them for their consideration.

If they won't turn the lights off perhaps they will consider using less wattage.

Stan

Keith Dixon

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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2018, 09:32:37 PM »
One scheme: try to get them interested in looking up
and say "could you click that light off for just a second while I show you this nebula...."

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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2018, 08:58:13 AM »
Augustus
Could be worse. I live across the street from an elementary school, to my south. It is lit up like an Arizona state prison. Huge spotlights illuminate empty playgrounds all night and the teacher's parking lots have 24 pole lights keeping the empty lots safely lit 7 nights a week 52 weeks a year. Our small town has also decided they needed to replace the old sodium streetlights facing the school with new LED units. Ugly white lights that could light up a stadium. The positive part is I no longer have an insect problem in the summer at Grey's Haven Observatory they're all over at the school.
Good luck with your issues.

Grey

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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2018, 10:20:13 AM »
Maybe throw a neighborhood cook-out and star party in your backyard. Tactfully mention the effects of the unshielded lights and poorly adjusted sensors, which they'll be able to see for themselves then.

Failing that, check with your municipality. See if there's a lighting ordinance, or laws pertaining to light trespass.

Jim H.

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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2018, 02:15:55 PM »
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One scheme: try to get them interested in looking up
and say "could you click that light off for just a second while I show you this nebula...."

The people to the north are yuppies that sell houses, they probably couldn't care less...

The people across the street moved in a year ago and are older folk.

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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2018, 05:50:00 AM »
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One scheme: try to get them interested in looking up
and say "could you click that light off for just a second while I show you this nebula...."

The people to the north are yuppies that sell houses, they probably couldn't care less...

The people across the street moved in a year ago and are older folk.
If they're reluctant/resistant to changing their behavior, then (failing ordinance violations) your best bet is to construct some light shields and carry on as best you can.

Jim Snyder

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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2018, 10:16:19 PM »
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One scheme: try to get them interested in looking up
and say "could you click that light off for just a second while I show you this nebula...."

The people to the north are yuppies that sell houses, they probably couldn't care less...

The people across the street moved in a year ago and are older folk.
Have you or your parents talked with them? Otherwise, how would you know that they don't care? Maybe they will, maybe they won't. But if I'm doing something that annoys my neighbors, I might not have any idea unless they approached me in a friendly way about it. Just saying...

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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2018, 08:20:24 AM »
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One scheme: try to get them interested in looking up
and say "could you click that light off for just a second while I show you this nebula...."

The people to the north are yuppies that sell houses, they probably couldn't care less...

The people across the street moved in a year ago and are older folk.
Have you or your parents talked with them? Otherwise, how would you know that they don't care? Maybe they will, maybe they won't. But if I'm doing something that annoys my neighbors, I might not have any idea unless they approached me in a friendly way about it. Just saying...
I'm going to talk to them this weekend....

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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2018, 11:37:09 AM »
The best first option is to talk about your passion for observational astronomy with your neighbors when opportunities arise. They probably have at least some interest, most folks do. Then you can mention in a friendly way how some porch lights can reallybe problematic. And of course it is also an opportunity to mention general light pollution and how it is changing observational as well as imaging astronomy.

I had this opportunity one day while working in the yard mowing and such. My next door neighbor really had no idea what the impact ofhis seemingly innocent very bright backyard porch light was doing when I observed. After talking about it for a little while I could see hegained an understanding.From then on hetried to accommodate me whenever he saw me setting up my telescope in the early evening.

I invited him and his kids over to take a look at mighty Jupiter one night. Now that's a warm feeling; to turn on the minds of the little children and see their eyes glistenlike the stars. Now he knows he is welcome any time he sees my scope to come over. You know...I think I converted him .

We found a workable peace. He does not always notice me observing, and I make no issue of it. But from then on he gained a better appreciation of what makes astronomer's happy.

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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2018, 03:10:25 PM »
I'm skeptical that most people will turn their lights off for an amateur astronomer. People equate light with safety.

My neighbors have lights that rival the daytime sun. Around here the skyglow is so bad, the moon has been classified a DSO.

But, and this is a Big But, a recent study has shown that excessive night lighting is detrimental to the wellbeing of plant and animal life!

So, if this has legs and we get the naturalists, environmentalists and the EPA to think the same way, they are some powerful allies to have and improvements may be made over time.

It comes down to this, Augustus. If it's a matter of causing someone difficulty to enjoy amateur astronomy, the lights stay on. If it disrupts the mating cycle of a rare, 2" green and red frog, the lights go off - or are at least shielded to the extent that the frogs find romantically acceptable.

Just my opinion, and everyone is entitled to my opinion.

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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2018, 11:20:20 PM »
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My neighbors have lights that rival the daytime sun. Around here the skyglow is so bad, the moon has been classified a DSO.

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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2018, 01:11:04 AM »
Those motion detector lights probably have an adjustable timer on them.