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Joseph Butler

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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2018, 05:33:47 AM »
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Could be worse. These are at 1:00 AM.

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Imaging though, works very well, when there are no clouds, as can be seen by the stars visible in the second shot.

The last time I looked through a telescope and was amazed was when I was 10. Just too much light now.

We shouldn't have to abandon eyepieces for looking at screens. If I want to look at astronomical objects on a screen, I'll do it on my computer for free, not spend thousands on imaging, EAA, and night vision equipment.

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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2018, 11:16:02 PM »
"We shouldn't have to abandon eyepieces for looking at screens. If I want to look at astronomical objects on a screen, I'll do it on my computer for free, not spend thousands on imaging, EAA, and night vision equipment."

Your neighbor's lights probably just got 20% brighter.

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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2018, 08:54:49 AM »
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Those motion detector lights probably have an adjustable timer on them.

True, but most people just stay with the default settings for on-time and sensitivity. Another annoying "feature" programmed into these motion sensing light modules is a dusk-to-dawn mode (light stays on all night) that's invoked at the wall switch by turning the light on for a couple of seconds and then turning it off. Oddly enough, typical power line blips where the power goes off for a few seconds can set this mode, and the clueless homeowners never bother to reset it.

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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2018, 11:34:55 AM »
I say go talk to'em....you might find that old fart across the street has a 10"doh and a set of XWs..

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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2018, 01:15:22 PM »
I wonder how the neighbors feel about his cat going into their yard and tripping the motion activated lights...

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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2018, 02:32:00 PM »
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I say go talk to'em....you might find that old fart across the street has a 10"dob and a set of XWs..

They're old grandmas. I don't think anyone in my entire city besides me has a serious scope and uses it...

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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2018, 11:54:58 PM »
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The people to the north are yuppies that sell houses, they probably couldn't care less...
"A huge gas emission that is millions of times larger than the miserable speck we live on and is literallycreatingthousands of solar systems that have the possibility of hosting life? Cool, but I'm tired and it's already 11:00..."

That always **** me off.

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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2018, 04:24:50 AM »
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I say go talk to'em....you might find that old fart across the street has a 10"dob and a set of XWs..

They're old grandmas. I don't think anyone in my entire city besides me has a serious scope and uses it...
My suggestion is to ask your parents to speak to the elderly ladies. Your Mum could invite them to see your Newtonian Reflector. Especially when the next waxing Moon occurs.

I used to live next to an elderly lady and she is still living at 90 +. It they are truly grandmothers, you could have there grandchildren.

I had this experience too in the early 2000's. The grandchildren were blown away with Saturn and everything else I showed them.

Best wishes,

Aubrey (from Ireland).

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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2018, 11:31:41 PM »
If'n it were me I'd try putting up some light shields while I am observing. They might work and they might also serve as a conversation starter. My neighbors replaced their bright white light with a much dimmer red light. Very nice.

Real-time camera assisted observing is a nice option (an option, not a replacement) and it doesn't have to be expensive. We've been exploring some low-cost options in the EAA forum based on the Revolution Imager 2 (complete kit for $299 plus a few bucks for a longer power cable). I'm using it on my ETX-60 and 80(backpack versions) and an Orion StarBlast on an old LXD75 mount. Under my red-zone skies (no Milky Way for me) my little ETX-60 easily surpasses my 16.5" Newtonian, though the observing experience is very different. (Again, it's an option, not a replacement.) Unprocessed real-time images look more like 'real' images than the uber processed images you get from the net (and most observing handbooks). I find EAA a good compliment to visual observing, and vice versa.

My little ETX-60 starter system...
My current StarBlast system configured for both GoTo and star-hopping. I had this out last night. The star-hopping option is sooooo nice!
Good luck with your neighbors!




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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2018, 02:15:35 AM »
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Could be worse. These are at 1:00 AM.

Backyard-01-AM-60-Seconds-ISO-800.jpg

Sky_1am.jpg

Imaging though, works very well, when there are no clouds, as can be seen by the stars visible in the second shot.

The last time I looked through a telescope and was amazed was when I was 10. Just too much light now.

We shouldn't have to abandon eyepieces for looking at screens. If I want to look at astronomical objects on a screen, I'll do it on my computer for free, not spend thousands on imaging, EAA, and night vision equipment.

Not all EAA costs thousands, only the high end stuff. What we do in EAA is closer to visual in equipment requirements than astrophotography. That said I do agree you should try to mitigate the problem before changing your observing style, when you do talk to your neighbors maybe offer to install a baffle for them if they feel they'd like the porch light on.

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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2018, 02:37:17 AM »
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If'n it were me I'd try putting up some light shields while I am observing. They might work and they might also serve as a conversation starter. My neighbors replaced their bright white light with a much dimmer red light. Very nice.

Real-time camera assisted observing is a nice option (an option, not a replacement) and it doesn't have to be expensive. We've been exploring some low-cost options in the EAA forum based on the Revolution Imager 2 (complete kit for $299 plus a few bucks for a longer power cable). I'm using it on my ETX-60 and 80(backpack versions) and an Orion StarBlast on an old LXD75 mount. Under my red-zone skies (no Milky Way for me) my little ETX-60 easily surpasses my 16.5" Newtonian, though the observing experience is very different. (Again, it's an option, not a replacement.) Unprocessed real-time images look more like 'real' images than the uber processed images you get from the net (and most observing handbooks). I find EAA a good compliment to visual observing, and vice versa.

My little ETX-60 starter system...

ETX-60 RI2-1.jpg

My current StarBlast system configured for both GoTo and star-hopping. I had this out last night. The star-hopping option is sooooo nice!

LXD75 StarBlast RI2-1.jpg

Good luck with your neighbors!

The StarBlast setup looks pretty cool, why is the OTA gray?

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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2018, 05:14:18 AM »
This is the imaging version of the StarBlast that Orion made to accommodate their original entry level CCD cameras. It has a slightly larger secondary and a slightly shorter mirror spacing to push the focal plane out about 1/2" farther than the original StarBlast... and it's gray.

I've got this kit sitting outside right now preparing for a star-hop from Cygnus down across Aquarius. Should be fun. This is the last clear night in the forecast for the next week.

Ugh.

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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2018, 08:24:57 AM »
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Those motion detector lights probably have an adjustable timer on them.

My next-door neighbor on the side of my yard suitable for observing, is an older single female who, after a report of a (noontime !) burglary in the neighborhood three years ago, decided to keep the carriage-style (unshielded) light above her garage on 24/7. Throughout the ten years she (and we) have lived as neighbors, there's also been a motion-light mounted on the roof-eve above her garage that (when on) more effectively illuminates the same area (plus more of her driveway as well) as the carriage-light. We've always had cooperatively friendly relations with her, she's long known of my astronomy hobby, and soon after she started keeping the carriage light always-on, she readily agreed to my request to be able to come over and unscrew the bulb for the duration of my observing sessions, so long as I promptly screwed the bulb back in at the end of my sessions.

Whenever going over to unscrew her carriage-light-bulb, I've made a game of trying to ninja-like slowly walk up her driveway past the motion-light without setting it off - and I've failed every single time to beat it. That light busts me every single time! Because of fences and impenetrably dense to foot-travel (though less than 100% light-screening) vegetation between our respective yards, there is no other way to approach her house within reach of the carriage-light's illumination without going up her driveway within the range that will set off the motion-light.

I'm happy enough with her agreeable accommodation of my astronomy hobby - but nevertheless it's still frustrating that although I've mentioned to her how impossible it is to defeat her motion light, she still feels more secure with the pointless carriage light always-on. This is as perfect an illustration of the sheer counter-factual irrationality of many people's attitudes toward "insecurity" lighting as one could possibly find, though in my instance fortunately good-neighborly relation over the years has built the level of trust needed to effectively mitigate the problem.

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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2018, 09:56:57 AM »
My advice for you and others is to check what is done by cloudy night forum members,who are usinglight shields.

Sometimes people are afraidno matter what and you got lights for life ... or let's say that sometimes human nature is not always very nice...

After checking few things in this forum I found a way to get something like 12 X12 inches (modulable) light shields, this does the trick for me.

Pretty much the deal is toerectat night and in a minimum time, small walls at the right place on your property.

Perhaps alittle bit time consuming, some moneyspent,this is not perfection but you got less frustration and more peace of mind.

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Re: Annoying, ignorant neighbors
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2018, 11:44:38 AM »
I view from my elevated rear deck. I have been using 4' tall rigid cardboard along the rail, because I have two neighbors across the creek that leave LED exterior garage lights on.
All.
Night.
Long.
I could talk to them, but they are the type that would probably just get brighter bulbs in response, so I leave it alone.

Someday I will have some real property......