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Tsar Daniels

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Bad news for Cherry Springs Dark Sky Park in PA
« on: December 24, 2017, 10:39:40 AM »
Seems like the park's shadowy skies is gone, at least for today.

View: http://tinyurl.com/mtpvfb



Brandon Leece

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Re: Bad news for Cherry Springs Dark Sky Park in PA
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2017, 11:40:50 PM »
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Looks like the park's dark sky is gone, at least for now.

See: http://tinyurl.com/mtpvfb

Could you please post a link to this story in a form other than a tinyurl-type link?  [Such as the "url" function available here on CN in the "instant UBB code section below the window where you edit posts].

Some of us have firewalls which won't allow access to tinyurl.com.

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Re: Bad news for Cherry Springs Dark Sky Park in PA
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2017, 03:44:43 PM »

Tyler King

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Re: Bad news for Cherry Springs Dark Sky Park in PA
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2018, 03:36:42 AM »
George, this is all very sad.  Hopefully these fires will soon be capped after the exploration phase.  Here in the Midwest, we have landfills where methane burn-off can last for decades.  Couldn't help but notice the Halliburton trailer in one of your photos!

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Re: Bad news for Cherry Springs Dark Sky Park in PA
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2018, 04:00:30 PM »
Tragic. Any idea how long this will last and how it will affect the 2009 BFSP?

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Re: Bad news for Cherry Springs Dark Sky Park in PA
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2018, 03:10:32 PM »
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Tragic. Any idea how long this will last and how it will affect the 2009 BFSP?

BFSP? According to my friends who have seen the well, if it’s still burning in September, (or even worse: they add more wells), there’s no reason to come to Cherry Springs any more. The well is bright enough to light up the inside of a tent set up on the field. Most people would be better off at home.

Friends are trying to find out how long it will last. I found one Texas newspaper web article that says they burn off a new well for 10 days, but those are not really deep wells and there are already pipe lines to ship the gas.

In addition to the burn-off, gas well drilling requires bright lights on towers for at least a few weeks, plus lots of nasty chemicals injected into the ground, smell, noise, vibration, big trucks always on the roads, etc.

Gas well drilling in the NY/PA border area will be massive and is a major ‘hot potato’ issue in my area pitting environmentalists, small plot home owners, big land owners, and ‘economic development’ types against each other. I recently sent an e-mail to my county legislator complaining about the county’s plans for the drilling of gas wells at the county land-fill about 2 miles from my currently very dark sky home. He returned a nasty-gram implying that I was some sort of enviro-kook who was trying to stop the most important economic advance in rural New York since the invention of corn.

Jason Muse

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Re: Bad news for Cherry Springs Dark Sky Park in PA
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2018, 03:23:19 AM »
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I recently sent an e-mail to my county legislator complaining about the county’s plans for the drilling of gas wells at the county land-fill about 2 miles from my currently very dark sky home. He returned a nasty-gram implying that I was some sort of enviro-kook who was trying to stop the most important economic advance in rural New York since the invention of corn.

At the rate Rendell is issuing DCNR drilling leases it won't be long before there is a gas well right on the observing field.  Hopefully this BFSP will be largely unaffected, but with the big push to develop the Marcellus shale the days of CSSP as a dark sky preserve are probably numbered.

Scott Etrheim

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Re: Bad news for Cherry Springs Dark Sky Park in PA
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2018, 01:48:23 AM »
That is very sad news.

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Re: Bad news for Cherry Springs Dark Sky Park in PA
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2018, 05:09:15 PM »
That is very sad news.

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Re: Bad news for Cherry Springs Dark Sky Park in PA
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2018, 11:51:23 PM »
Well maybe it will work out after all:
http://www.csspdarks...nts_and_notices

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Re: Bad news for Cherry Springs Dark Sky Park in PA
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2018, 03:35:57 AM »
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  Well maybe it will work out after all:http://www.csspdarks...nts_and_notices
It's wonderful that the company conducting the gas exploration has apparently so quickly proven amenable to working it's schedule so as to minimize impact on Cherry Springs during the moon phases where its dark-sky conditions are useful to astronomers.  Doubtless, it took some diligent, calmly intelligent work by the staff and friends of the park to advance toward a diplomatic solution so quickly, and we can all be thankful the energy company folks appear to be sympathetic and reasonable to deal with so far.I don't know from the report above that it's quite yet a completely done deal, but it sure sounds like all involved parties are working earnestly in good faith (and have arrived at least at a rough workable consensus) on how to proceed from here...we'll just have to see if there's any kinks in the actual details.  But so far, so good!  Congrats to everyone up there involved who's helped work this out so far!  Kudos!

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Re: Bad news for Cherry Springs Dark Sky Park in PA
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2018, 06:00:04 AM »
I cant see this affecting CSSP in the long term once the wells are up and running.

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Re: Bad news for Cherry Springs Dark Sky Park in PA
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2018, 09:19:05 AM »
Lets hope that the giant WindZilla turbines do not encroach upon the area with their obnoxious flashing navigational warning beacons.

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Re: Bad news for Cherry Springs Dark Sky Park in PA
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2018, 06:44:03 PM »
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I cant see this affecting CSSP in the long term once the wells are up and running.

That’s true. However the current projections are for thousands of fracting gas wells to be drilled in the NY/PA border region. The process allows for drilling side wells from existing ones. The burn-off is bad, but so are the tower lights used while drilling – just not as bad as the burning. …..and then there’s the heavy truck traffic for bringing in the water and taking out the brine that goes on 24 hours per day during drilling.

There will be no stopping the drilling, not with billions of $$ to be made. We’ll all just have to learn to live with it.

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Re: Bad news for Cherry Springs Dark Sky Park in PA
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2018, 06:27:58 AM »
After seeing the skyglow of the gas flaring from Cherry Springs first hand and visiting the well site at night, I became very afraid. I tried to quickly learn as much as possible about Marcellus gas well drilling in PA.  I was expecting to see that the Commonwealth of PA was studying similar gas drillings that had already been done in Texas, was learning from those and was putting regulations in place to protect the environment.  I'm and electrical engineer and understand the need for our country to move away from our reliance on foreign oil.What I have learned to date is that Pennsylvania has openned its rural areas up for speedy deployment of natural gas drilling operations.  The gas flarings that are involved with gas well burn-offs are as shown on the famous Earth-At-Night light pollution poster as being among the brightest man-made sources of light pollution.The Commonwealth of PA has allowed these gas flarings to take place at night near a park that the Commonwealth itself has designated as a Dark Sky Resource and in need of protection. Cherry Springs has also been designated by the IDA as an International Dark Sky Park.I added my thoughts of the gas flaring to the bottom of my web site report here: (hit refresh in your browser if you've already visited):http://www.ghonis2.h...09gasfield.htmlThe astronomical community needs to come together as a group and make an effort to demand that natural gas flarings occur during daytime hours only.  Instead of gas flarings, many have been asking this question: Why is this energy being wasted in the first place?