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migresinli

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Re: City of Albuquerque to convert 19,000 street lights to LED
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2018, 11:28:29 PM »
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I’ve been able to research this issue a little more (one of the benefits of retirement) and I’ve found three non-astronomical reasons against light pollution:

1. Sleep deprivation.
2. Interruption of circadian rhythms in plants and animals. (Their systems don’t know if it’s night, day, winter or summer).
3. Bright, blinding lights don’t deter crime. House-invaders and other nocturnal criminals have figured out they can hide behind the glare and very dark shadows produced by LEDs.
These are also emotional issues which connect with the average citizen, as opposed to just us astronomers.
- Roy (again)

I like it but number one and two are basically the same. Also, I think the most attention grabbing non-astronomical reason against light pollution would be how much it costs in dollars (thats the real attention grabber) and carbon emissions. Making it an economical issue, raising the question of how to better use the funds - infrastructure, education, what have you...that gets everyones attention. Also to add to your 3. reason of lights not preventing crime - ask people why they think most crime takes place during the daytime. Doesn't take someone with common sense too long to figure out that criminals like to see what they're doing. Streetlights are non-security lights that make it easier for the criminals to operate 24/7 & flashlights at night attract unwanted attention - streetlights make it so you don't need them. Also why can we have light motion sensors in the supermarket frozen food aisle but not for streetlights? The public has to want smarter and cheaper lighting. Connecting it to their wallets is the best way to achieve this, in my opinion.

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Re: City of Albuquerque to convert 19,000 street lights to LED
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2018, 12:55:16 AM »
All that generated electricity has to be used somewheres...that or invent a means to store it, or a means to easily vary the amount generated. That or wire up the chairsin Washington and put a button on our TV remote controls so we can giv'ema shock when they upset our delicate sensitivities. Just think...CSPAN could become the nation's most watched reality TV channel.

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Re: City of Albuquerque to convert 19,000 street lights to LED
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2018, 06:37:05 AM »
I wonder if they are aware of the lighting used in Clayton, NM? I've observed from Clayton Lake and I don't remember even noticing a light dome in the south sky coming from the town of Clayton. Maybe Albuquerque could look at the Clayton NM model. I believe Clayton Lake State Park is still IDSA certified.

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Re: City of Albuquerque to convert 19,000 street lights to LED
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2018, 02:41:37 AM »
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I wonder if they are aware of the lighting used in Clayton, NM? I've observed from Clayton Lake and I don't remember even noticing a light dome in the south sky coming from the town of Clayton. Maybe Albuquerque could look at the Clayton NM model. I believe Clayton Lake State Park is still IDSA certified.

Glad to hear Clayton has a strict policy!

I've observed at Clayton Lake twice. The first time was in October of 2008, and there was some light coming from the town of Clayton. However, I was on the flat, open surface of the park, not far from the entrance.

When I observed there a few years later, I was in one of the lower alcoves, not far from the lake itself, but I was camped about 100 feet lower than the flat, open area. Some of the southern sky was blocked, but I saw no glare from the town. I believe it was site #5.

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Re: City of Albuquerque to convert 19,000 street lights to LED
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2018, 04:48:09 AM »
Hi Roy, not sure where site #5 is? I used the far NW camping area at Clayton Lake named Chicano Beach in March this year. It's the last camping area past the Star Point Observatory area and, other than due north, the sky was unobstructed in all directions. The ranger recommended this area. From what I heard the local astronomy club has done a great job in getting approved shielded lighting in town.

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Re: City of Albuquerque to convert 19,000 street lights to LED
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2018, 02:13:11 AM »
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Hi Roy, not sure where site #5 is? I used the far NW camping area at Clayton Lake named Chicano Beach in March this year. It's the last camping area past the Star Point Observatory area and, other than due north, the sky was unobstructed in all directions. The ranger recommended this area. From what I heard the local astronomy club has done a great job in getting approved shielded lighting in town.

Maybe they changed the campsite numbers since I was there in 2010? It was in the "primitive" camping area, with no electrical outlets.

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Re: City of Albuquerque to convert 19,000 street lights to LED
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2018, 02:23:58 AM »
yea Roy, it was just a picnic pavilion in a circle drive with a set of restrooms off to the side, just like a primitive camping/picnic area and no campsite numbers. I came on a Sunday, and being new there, asked the ranger at the visitors center about the area. He told me all about the IDSA Gold certification for Clayton Lake and the local astronomy club holding public nights at the observatory there. He said the Clayton people mostly seem to be behind the LP restrictions and it seems to be working great with lighting restrictions in the area. I had to pay a $10 dollar fee for a tag to use the camping area for the night but it was worth it. The area you may have used sounds like and organized camping area with numbered spaces, etc. it sounds like down near the visitors center.