Author Topic: Emotionally powerful language for light pollution  (Read 1958 times)

Dave Hawkins

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Re: Emotionally powerful language for light pollution
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2018, 04:45:41 AM »
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Manipulation is wrong. You can educate people ...
In my cynical old age, I don't see a clear line between manipulation and education. I always aim to help people think for themselves -- but it's something that most people are profoundly reluctant to do. Educating -- literally, leading people out (of their self-imposed shells) -- doesn't just happen; it's something that has to be strategized, sort of like fighting a war. Manipulation, in other words.And while aiming primarily at helping people think for themselves, there's no way around the fact that I also want them to see things from my point of view. You can admit that fact or not, but you'll always do it.I think the main thing is to be honest with yourself, and then you will also be honest with others. In this case, it means admitting that there are both up and down sides to outdoor lighting. And that lack of evidence that lighting deters crime is not at all the same thing as evidence that lighting does not deter crime. And that while light pollution may have very minor ecological downsides (not so minor for sea turtles -- but they're the rare exception), it's primarily a quality-of-life issue.

Mario Evans

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Re: Emotionally powerful language for light pollution
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2018, 08:38:15 AM »
After you've finally persuaded your neighbor they're safer without lights, don't sneak up behind them one night and shout "BOO!"

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Re: Emotionally powerful language for light pollution
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2018, 05:54:21 PM »
Lighting may be linked to increased cancer risk and if that is verified and the connection between the two disseminated broadly, then maybe we will make more progress.

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Re: Emotionally powerful language for light pollution
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2018, 06:31:07 PM »
Use emotional language like "Baby rabbits/kittens/puppies can't fall asleep at night because of your lights that use energy produced by RADIOACTIVE <strong class="bbc">nukular[/b] reactors and those evil CO2-spewing coal plants".

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Re: Emotionally powerful language for light pollution
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2018, 01:53:00 PM »
My contribution:Define light pollution in people's mind in terms of light shining directly into their eyes at night. No one likes that. It is annoying and a safety hazard as well since it reduces visibility.Push for "safe , efficient lighting - shine light where its needed".

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Re: Emotionally powerful language for light pollution
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2018, 11:38:23 PM »
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My contribution:

Define light pollution in people's mind in terms of light shining directly into their eyes at night.

No one likes that. It is annoying and a safety hazard as well since it reduces visibility.

Push for "safe , efficient lighting - shine light where its needed".

I agree 100%. Many, many people know and hate light trespass. That's the appropriate handle.

Gilbert Quintana

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Re: Emotionally powerful language for light pollution
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2018, 11:46:53 PM »
I'm somewhat embarrassed to admit that the idea of light pollution hadn't crossed my mind much until very recently. Reading this forum and seeing the pollution map have really had an affect on me. I grew up in the country and just happened to spend summers in one of the few blue spots east of the Mississippi, I've always assumed 'light pullution is a city thing' if that thinking makes sense. I recently watched a TED talk where they did a study of techniques to decrease energy consumption, what was found was that the only effective method was sending out monthly reminders that said "your neighbor is doing better than you", people really respond to competition and the fear of being inferior in funny ways. Final thought, people have to see value in not light polluting, this I assume is mostly done through outreach and education.  There are lots of folks out there right now trying to be as green as they can be, but light pollution is rarely brought up,  my guess is most of these people would probably do their part if they simply knew what to do and why.-Rusty

Tim Jauregui

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Re: Emotionally powerful language for light pollution
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2018, 11:55:29 PM »
We definitely don't want to use fear mongering type of language. Although it's kind of amusing to me to imagine an ad campaign like: "Your lighting makes you feel safe... but there's a murderer lurking in the shadows caused by your bright spotlights... your cancer risk is rising... you can't sleep properly and will die a horrible death..." (All done in a very deep, ominous voice) Certainly if people see that too much lighting can have a negative impact, not just on the night sky, but on their wallets, their health, and their safety, we can hope to see improvement. The only problem can come from the electric and lighting companies themselves, who have very deep pockets and can hire the very best ad agencies, etc, to easily outdo any possible public service ads.

Jessie Forbes

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Re: Emotionally powerful language for light pollution
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2018, 02:51:29 AM »
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Lighting may be linked to increased cancer risk and if that is verified and the connection between the two disseminated broadly, then maybe we will make more progress.
These days people with agendas claim EVERYTHING gives you cancer!

That type of over the top claim gets a lot of eye rolls and will marginalize you really fast. These days everyone with a political agenda has used hyperbole to the point that people just tune it out. Life goes on and no one is going to equate their porch light with cancer.

Personally I think that real world experience will convince more people than anything else. Invite your neighbors and friends to a star party which will open up opportunities to explain light pollution.

Adam Martin

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Re: Emotionally powerful language for light pollution
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2018, 07:51:04 AM »
These days you can't turn on a TV or radio without being bombarded with transparently manipulative "public service" announcements and commercials making over the top claims. Anymore I just turn them off or mute them. I agree that outdoor lighting is really a quality of life issue. The vast majority of people are worried about making ends meet, not street lights. Claims of cancer and higher or lower crime rates are probably impossible to quantify if you believe them at all.

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Re: Emotionally powerful language for light pollution
« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2018, 10:42:19 PM »
Yes so many public service announcements that turn off is very quick.  I remember hearing about a campaign that didn't say anything bad but just said that your neighbours are doing better than you,  and they increased recycling by 20% within the first month of the program.  Maybe a campaign that said your neighbour is saving more energy and can afford that bigger, better whatever would work.

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Re: Emotionally powerful language for light pollution
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2018, 10:52:28 AM »
I would not suggest over the top or unsupported claims. The fact that many things give you cancer may contribute to general despair-why bother if everything kills you? The fact that many things we do cause cancer is symptomatic of our general idiocy in regards to our lack, as a species, of scruples regarding chemical use and disposal.But if there a link, it can't hurt to disseminate the info. If people are bombarded by chemicals and their immune systems are overtaxed, that lack of melatonin might be the tipping point health wise.All of these issues:light trespass,quality of life, money and environmental and personal health issue need to be addressed.If people are inured to threats in our hyper paranoid culture, then they are. That should not be an argument for inaction.

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Re: Emotionally powerful language for light pollution
« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2018, 01:03:48 AM »
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Invite your neighbors and friends to a star party which will open up opportunities to explain light pollution. 

How did that work for you? What light pollution reduction gains did you experience from that?

James Przystup

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Re: Emotionally powerful language for light pollution
« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2018, 01:37:51 AM »
People live longer and longer and longer in spite of all the gloom and doom fear mongering!

Tyler King

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Re: Emotionally powerful language for light pollution
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2018, 01:53:15 AM »
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How did that work for you? What light pollution reduction gains did you experience from that?
It might get your neighbor to do something about that 1000 watt search light aimed at your back yard!  The alternative seems to be heavy handed tactics such as laws to outlaw whatever you don't like. Now don't get me wrong, darks skies are a worthy goal but tactics like that can backfire. These days is seems everyone with a pet cause wants all their likes subsidized and their dislikes outlawed. Every agenda group out there has paid lobyists looking to outlaw many, many things you and I enjoy. Enough is enough.