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Marlin Riewer

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Hope for McDonald Observatory
« on: December 29, 2017, 12:04:20 PM »
I would be curious to take a look at a dark sky map of Texas this year especially north of McDonald Observatory. With the price of oil dropping now under $30 a barrel the rig count in west Texas has been cut more than half and still dropping. Also oil companies have cut their staffs. That would cause an outflow of people from west Texas and less homes and businesses lit up. With the boom came more light pollution and I hope that has reversed now. I did hear that the sky got a little better last year. Hopefully there won't be another oil boom for a good long while. Check out the rig count here.http://gis.bakerhugh...dardReport.aspx



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Re: Hope for McDonald Observatory
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2017, 07:41:37 AM »
Hopefully oil will go back up over $50-60 a barrel and all the people who have lost their jobs will be able to go back to work.

When I was at McDonald two years ago (during the height of the boom), you could barely make out a very small and very feint glow on the NE horizon (not even 1/4 deg high), certainly too low in the sky for any useful work.

I believe the dark skies at McDonald are protected by statute.

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Re: Hope for McDonald Observatory
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2017, 01:05:26 AM »
I hope oil goes to $20 per barrel, better for the other 95% of us not in the oil business. Plan on going to TSP this year, I tend to go every 5 to 7 years. I'll report back on any increase or decrease of LP.

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Re: Hope for McDonald Observatory
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2018, 04:44:50 PM »
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Hopefully oil will go back up over $50-60 a barrel and all the people who have lost their jobs will be able to go back to work.

When I was at McDonald two years ago (during the height of the boom), you could barely make out a very small and very feint glow on the NE horizon (not even 1/4 deg high), certainly too low in the sky for any useful work.

I believe the dark skies at McDonald are protected by statute.

The boom was a problem for McDonald Observatory. It made it much harder to see fainter objects. McDonald sent representative Bill Wren out to convince drilling companies to shield their lights. There is a multi-county state ordinance controlling lights, but it is not always heeded especially by drilling companies. There is no way to shield light coming from wells that are flaring off gas. Then you have added businesses and homes supporting all the new workers that add up too.http://www.dailytexa...erson/bill-wrenhttp://www.mrt.com/t...1a4bcf887a.html

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Re: Hope for McDonald Observatory
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2018, 11:14:33 PM »
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I hope oil goes to $20 per barrel, better for the other 95% of us not in the oil business. Plan on going to TSP this year, I tend to go every 5 to 7 years. I'll report back on any increase or decrease of LP.


Nice

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Re: Hope for McDonald Observatory
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2018, 12:25:47 AM »
<p class="citation">QuoteHopefully oil will go back up over $50-60 a barrel and all the people who have lost their jobs will be able to go back to work.[/quote]

Or get jobs installing windmills and solar panels ....

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Re: Hope for McDonald Observatory
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2018, 01:33:45 AM »
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<p class="citation">QuoteHopefully oil will go back up over $50-60 a barrel and all the people who have lost their jobs will be able to go back to work.

Or get jobs installing windmills and solar panels ....[/quote]

As if that will happen when oil and gas is cheap.

I love how people think wind and solar are the answers. On a scale that will power the world (on the same scale at least as oil and gas), they have their own unpleasant issues.

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Re: Hope for McDonald Observatory
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2018, 07:38:04 AM »
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<p class="citation">QuoteHopefully oil will go back up over $50-60 a barrel and all the people who have lost their jobs will be able to go back to work.

Or get jobs installing windmills and solar panels ....

As if that will happen when oil and gas is cheap.

I love how people think wind and solar are the answers. On a scale that will power the world (on the same scale at least as oil and gas), they have their own unpleasant issues.
My concern was the build up of light pollution that has cause problems for McDonald Observatory and little for the Texas Star Party. I don't have any sympathy for the oil business and their business practices. Oh by the way, there has been one solar farm built near Ft. Stockton, another being built right now, and third one planned to be built nearby. I don't think we have to worry about light Pollution from the solar farms.

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Re: Hope for McDonald Observatory
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2018, 04:32:12 AM »
The latest news from west Texas. Now from the State of Texas, the drillers have been asked to shield their work lights.http://www.texastrib...rotect-dark-sk/

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Re: Hope for McDonald Observatory
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2018, 03:09:50 PM »
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The latest news from west Texas. Now from the State of Texas, the drillers have been asked to shield their work lights.http://www.texastrib...rotect-dark-sk/


Great to hear!

Now if I could just get Pennsylvania to adopt the same...... Frack'ing has stopped for the time-being in my area. However, when it was going full-bore the sat images showed far more light coming from an area of empty PA woods than from the nearby city of Binghamton, NY!

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Re: Hope for McDonald Observatory
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2018, 04:36:45 PM »
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<p class="citation">QuoteHopefully oil will go back up over $50-60 a barrel and all the people who have lost their jobs will be able to go back to work.

Or get jobs installing windmills and solar panels ....

As if that will happen when oil and gas is cheap.

I love how people think wind and solar are the answers. On a scale that will power the world (on the same scale at least as oil and gas), they have their own unpleasant issues.The only unpleasant issues of wind and solar are having to train all those coal diggers and oil drillers on how to build and install solar panels and windmill generators. But, I feel this is America and it can and will be done.


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Re: Hope for McDonald Observatory
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2018, 08:13:26 AM »
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The only unpleasant issues of wind and solar are having to train all those coal diggers and oil drillers on how to build and install solar panels and windmill generators. But, I feel this is America and it can and will be done.


Clearly you are either not current with the issues or conveniently choose to ignore them.

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Re: Hope for McDonald Observatory
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2018, 10:32:07 AM »
We've pretty well proven that we will continue exploration strategies into the foreseeable future. Full stop.

The story I got out of West Texas is that the folks from McDonald Observatory had a meeting with the major players in Permian regional exploration/production like Pioneer. Everybody showed up in boots &amp; jeans and the scientists talked with the guys about the dark sky heritage in the area, the science being done and the worldwide acclaim that had flowed to West Texas for many decades. Then they explained the dangers posed by unchecked lighting and asked if the oil &amp; gas guys could see any way that they could help maintain the heritage of dark skies and suggested some more efficient alternatives.
Apparently the industry guys had expected to be lectured and threatened - not surprising. Apparently fairly quick agreement came that better lighting was a good idea. Also it is reported that the industry guys told the scientists that they'd expected to be told that regulations would force change and that they'd be **** if they'd be regulated into changing and would have been at war over it.
Being real smart guys, they took the opportunity for consensus instead.
When the Texas Railroad Commission makes a rule or writes a restriction to industry activities, it is moving after the fact. Probably the most corrupted "regulatory" agency in the state, it moves at the behest of the industry. The changes to the lighting that have been implemented resulted from a meeting of equals and are reflected in the TRRC actions.

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Re: Hope for McDonald Observatory
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2018, 06:03:26 AM »
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........... Then they explained the dangers posed by unchecked lighting and asked if the oil &amp; gas guys could see any way that they could help maintain the heritage of dark skies and suggested some more efficient alternatives.
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Keep us informed about any *actual and effective* LP reductions from the Texas Oil &amp; Gas industry. What equipment? How do the drillers like it?

It would be great if we in the East could go to the drillers with a proven and inexpensive solution.

With low energy prices and the difficulties of getting pipelines built, there's a big reduction in frack'ing in Pennsylvania, but I'm sure those conditions will change..... not to mention the need to re-frack wells more often than was thought.

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Re: Hope for McDonald Observatory
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2018, 02:58:01 PM »
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Clearly you are either not current with the issues or conveniently choose to ignore them.
What sources of information do you use to decide what the current issues actually are.Today's media is pretty much useless because they concentrate on the sensational and controversial rather than the truth.Government is even worse.Billions of $$$s and a lot of effort is wasted chasing issues that actually have little or no impact on most people.