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Marquez Faulkner

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Re: If I had the power to ban nuisance lighting where would I start ?
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2018, 03:23:31 AM »
the secret lies in making people more afraid of light then darkness..............

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Re: If I had the power to ban nuisance lighting where would I start ?
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2018, 06:45:06 AM »
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the secret lies in making people more afraid of light then darkness..............


We'll have to get Hollywood to work on that...

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Re: If I had the power to ban nuisance lighting where would I start ?
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2018, 12:28:10 AM »
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Just a quick warning before this goes further, this topic is about light pollution. Comparing it to other issues may seem fine but those can become extremely volatile as viewpoints are very polarized. Thus, please make further posts about light pollution and leave the other subjects out of the discussion.

Sometimes a discussion HAS to get a little heated or it drys up and goes nowhere like so many meetings that have been adjourned. Look at dramatizations of court cases. Restless jury, outspoken lawyer and the banging of the gavel. BTW, sometimes the judge is unfair.

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Re: If I had the power to ban nuisance lighting where would I start ?
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2018, 06:28:48 AM »
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Just a quick warning before this goes further, this topic is about light pollution. Comparing it to other issues may seem fine but those can become extremely volatile as viewpoints are very polarized. Thus, please make further posts about light pollution and leave the other subjects out of the discussion.

Sometimes a discussion HAS to get a little heated or it drys up and goes nowhere like so many meetings that have been adjourned. Look at dramatizations of court cases. Restless jury, outspoken lawyer and the banging of the gavel. BTW, sometimes the judge is unfair.
Yeah, but this one was about to turn into a discussion about anthropogenic global warming. I've got strong opinions about that myself, but I'm not gonna go there. I've seen MANY discussions get totally derailed when the subject comes up.

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Re: If I had the power to ban nuisance lighting where would I start ?
« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2018, 01:10:15 PM »
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the secret lies in making people more afraid of light then darkness..............


We'll have to get Hollywood to work on that...
There might just be something to that. How about a sci-fi comedy that's not too scary. It has to be REALLY funny and poke fun at bad lighting. It's about a disease. Here's the scene: Small rural town - A strange object is seen in the sky ..... Result: No one can live without light during the night time. If they go outside and stray too far from their yardblaster, they make an awful gasping noise because their body parts start to crumble and fall off. This disease seems to be getting worse, because these folks find that they need to keep all the lights on in the house at night. Cellars are off limits. During the day there's a mad dash to HomeLopoHardware for the brightest bulbs they can find. This works for awhile till they discover that they need to carry the yard lights around inside the house ! They get frightened and irritable. Tempers flare and people are actually beating on other people with yardlights. The UV is getting too high from these lights because HomeLopoHardware has no low pressure sodium lights ..... Suddenly ...... Okay it's your turn. Come up with some filler, an ending and we'll find an Ed Wood kinda guy that will film this. IT COULD ACTUALLY WORK ! Worst case scenario, it only goes viral on YouTube. It should have an easy going rating. Not too gory and no swearing.

Charlie Carpenter

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Re: If I had the power to ban nuisance lighting where would I start ?
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2018, 02:55:06 PM »
Well, maybe a movie where all the ghosts, monsters, hobgoblins, and boogymen attacked during the day instead of at night...
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Re: If I had the power to ban nuisance lighting where would I start ?
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2018, 09:07:25 PM »
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Well, maybe a movie where all the ghosts, monsters, hobgoblins, and boogymen attacked during the day instead of at night...
 Marty

No. too weak

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Re: If I had the power to ban nuisance lighting where would I start ?
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2018, 01:50:44 AM »
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If we just step back for a moment and look dispassionately at the situation it quickly becomes apparent that any belief of our ever having a major impact on today's light pollution situation on a countrywide basis is just so much pie in the sky dreaming. While our arguments in favor of light pollution's restriction may sound logical and fully justifiable to us on many levels, to the general public it is only viewed as so much hare-brained ravings of environmental radicals, or a hobbyist lunatic fringe.
I'll admit that I'm also somewhat pessimistic about persuading the general public that artificial light can and should be restricted. However, the situation isn't quite as dire as BrooksObs is suggesting.History is full of examples where something that started out seemiing like the ravings of a lunatic fringe ended up being mainstream common sense. In fact, I could make a strong case that this is the norm rather than the exception -- public opinion changes by revolution at least as much as evolution. Consider women's suffrage, abolishing slavery -- or, for that matter, Islam, Christianity, and Buddhism.Closer to home, when the U.S. government set out to persuade people not to smoke cigarettes, it seemed totally quixotic. The Clean Air and Clean Water bills were phenomenally successful -- and ended up being quite popular after some fierce initial opposition by people who said they were curtailing individual freedom and econmically disastrous.Persuading people that artificial light can be considered pollution is tougher, but there are a couple of good levers to start with. One is that nobody likes light tresspass -- other people's lights shining in their windows at night. It's pretty much commonsense that this is much the same thing as blasting loud music through an open window at midnight.The other is that there's a mounting body of evidence that light pollution can be harmful to your health.

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Re: If I had the power to ban nuisance lighting where would I start ?
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2018, 07:54:27 PM »
If one is not willing to allow a poster to place a given situation in its true perspective, as I attempted to, then any honest discussion on the point becomes worthless.The simple fact is that in the future the U.S. population is sure to continue to expand, accompanied by further urban sprawl and the necessity for and public/business demand for outdoor lighting. This will only increase light pollution, probably on an increasing level of intensity if the past 50 years is to be any judge. Believe in pie-in-the-sky solutions if you will, but attempting to force legislation addressing such a matter considered utterly frivolous in the eyes of nearly everyone outside our hobby and in a society that is increasingly unwilling to live in a nanny state is a task beyond abject futility. Sorry folks, but better that you attempt to stem the next great Tsunami with a roll of Bound paper towels.

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Re: If I had the power to ban nuisance lighting where would I start ?
« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2018, 02:50:17 AM »
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The other is that there's a mounting body of evidence that light pollution can be harmful to your health.
Cigarettes, booze, drugs, air pollution, fat foods,the list goes on. All are harmful to your heath but they are stillaround.

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Re: If I had the power to ban nuisance lighting where would I start ?
« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2018, 03:52:14 AM »
WARNING NUMBER 2

This thread is about light pollution and other hot button topics need to stay out of it.