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Nate Flores

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Re: Large Ohio greenhouses--This...doesn't sound good
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2018, 12:19:48 AM »
Phil, per the article:

"The company said Golden Fresh uses lights at the facility beginning in the early morning until about 4 p.m., and the lights make it possible to ensure plant growth during cloudy days and winter months. The lights are not in operation 24 hours a day, the company said."

I wonder what "early morning means"?

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Re: Large Ohio greenhouses--This...doesn't sound good
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2018, 09:43:02 PM »
There having a similar issue around Laconia New Hampshire and people are complaining about it. I read an article a few months ago that a huge one in Poland is causing light domes across the border in the Czech republic and are annoying the Czechs.. I am worried about this, because of the legalization of marijuana in the state next door where my dark site is will undoubtedly spawn many greenhouse operations-that is if the Feds allow it.I imagine Maine, with its short growing season will also experience an upsurge to meet the demand of their legalized market and then one of the last large areas of pretty good skies on the east coast will shrink even further

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Re: Large Ohio greenhouses--This...doesn't sound good
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2018, 03:39:08 AM »
Sounds like it may be time to make a bunch of copies of one or more of the American Medical Association's articles on the negative effects of light pollution on human health, and start a door-to-door campaign amongst the neighbors of this monstrosity. If there's an astro club nearby, recruit some help there.

I say 'AMA', because most folks don't give flip for 'dark skies' for astronomy, but dang sure get up in arms if anything even remotely threatens their health, and sometimes the wildlife. Still, pass these articles on the International Dark Skies Association athttp://darksky.org/ .

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Re: Large Ohio greenhouses--This...doesn't sound good
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2018, 03:00:09 PM »
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Phil, per the article:

"The company said Golden Fresh uses lights at the facility beginning in the early morning until about 4 p.m., and the lights make it possible to ensure plant growth during cloudy days and winter months. The lights are not in operation 24 hours a day, the company said."

I wonder what "early morning means"?

Don't know. Most likely after midnight during the winter months to prevent complaints from neighbors and to take advantage of off-peak electricity rates.
My understanding is that tomatoes need darkness in their growing cycles to maximize yields on an industrial scale, similar to the amount of nighttime they get in the summer. Hence, the lights aren't on 24/7. For other fruits and vegetables, I can't say for sure.
Clear Skies,
Phil

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Re: Large Ohio greenhouses--This...doesn't sound good
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2018, 12:10:34 AM »
http://www.daytondai...cVu8qwyY3gbqKL/

The more I look into this, the sicker I get. This place is only going to grow (no pun intended) larger and larger and larger. Ridiculous.

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Re: Large Ohio greenhouses--This...doesn't sound good
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2018, 07:30:23 AM »
There, I just submitted a comment on the Red Sun Farms website. I wore my 'be nice' hat while doing so.

Too bad about the local Mayor Quimby ("Vote Quimby") brushing off concerns like that. Hopefully the company will self-regulate their LP for the sake of good will and good PR. Plus it sounds like it is totally doable so no excuse.

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Re: Large Ohio greenhouses--This...doesn't sound good
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2018, 01:56:27 AM »
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Sounds like it may be time to make a bunch of copies of one or more of the American Medical Association's articles on the negative effects of light pollution on human health, and start a door-to-door campaign amongst the neighbors of this monstrosity. If there's an astro club nearby, recruit some help there.

I say 'AMA', because most folks don't give flip for 'dark skies' for astronomy, but dang sure get up in arms if anything even remotely threatens their health, and sometimes the wildlife. Still, pass these articles on the International Dark Skies Association athttp://darksky.org/ .

Jim H.

Jim,

I emailed the IDA and attached the link to this thread.  Hopefully they get on this fast.
Clear Skies,
Phil

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Re: Large Ohio greenhouses--This...doesn't sound good
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2018, 07:00:56 AM »
Phil, read your newspaper comment where you talked about all the greenhouses in/around Kingsville and Leamington, Canada. I've explored that area on my bicycle and there are tons and tons of massive greenhouses up there. The light pollution map of that area shows the situation is bad. Very bad. Extremely rural areas ruined with respects to the night sky. Much more extensive areas of light pollution than I would have thought! Google Earth shows the area is saturated with greenhouses. Sounds like Ohio is 'ripe' for more massive greenhouses. That and more and more huge wind turbines.

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Re: Large Ohio greenhouses--This...doesn't sound good
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2018, 08:16:53 AM »
I like the greenhouse tech and the jobs it could bring, but the light pollution is equally as horrid as it is utterly preventable.
I don't live anywhere near one of these, but who knows if this idea really catches on?
We've got a vested interest in Ohio with development underway for the John Glenn Observatory. One of these greenhouse complexes without blackout curtains on the roof will render the skies unusable for miles around when they're in use.
My understanding is that the lights aren't on 24/7 because the plants need a dark cycle as well, and the grow lights are on for about six months out of the year here in Ohio. Also, a recent trend in grow lighting is the switchover to LED's. The preferred grow lights are HPS, namely because they emit strongly in the longer wavelengths, with a sizable emission in the shorter wavelengths, too. Plants really only need blue and red light to photosynthesize, so LED grow lights are a combination of red and blue lights, resulting in a purple glow. The advantages of LED's, besides energy consumption, are their placement--they can get much closer to the plants without risking heat damage, so I'm guessing that mean less intense lighting levels.
In the case of the Wapakoneta greenhouse, I wonder if there's a lighting ordinance in Auglaize County.
One way or the other, we really need the IDA to bring the calvary in on this one. These represent a clear and present danger to dark skies in whatever region they're constructed without proper light curtains, but it's also very easily remedied, particularly in the planning stages.
Clear Skies,
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Re: Large Ohio greenhouses--This...doesn't sound good
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2018, 12:32:52 PM »
Agree Phil. The pollution can be totally controlled. I just hope our soon to happen John Glenn Observatory will stay decently dark. In our case, it's somewhat comforting to know the State of Ohio might help combat any possible light pollution danger near our location. They have as such to loose as we do if excess and unnecessary lights bleed over to the site. At least I hope this is the case !

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Re: Large Ohio greenhouses--This...doesn't sound good
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2018, 02:01:26 AM »
I was at an event with some guys I know from the Lima area yesterday, so I asked them about the greenhouse. One told me that his friend (who lives several miles east of the greenhouse) described it as "I woke up to go to the bathroom and thought the sun was coming up, but then I realized my window faces west." I dropped bugs in their ears about how the greenhouses should install blinds to reduce their environmental impact. Not sure if anyone who's not an astronomer will care enough to make a difference. Others said they hadn't noticed, but would start looking.

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Re: Large Ohio greenhouses--This...doesn't sound good
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2018, 04:11:05 AM »
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There having a similar issue around Laconia New Hampshire and people are complaining about it. I read an article a few months ago that a huge one in Poland is causing light domes across the border in the Czech republic and are annoying the Czechs.. I am worried about this, because of the legalization of marijuana in the state next door where my dark site is will undoubtedly spawn many greenhouse operations-that is if the Feds allow it.I imagine Maine, with its short growing season will also experience an upsurge to meet the demand of their legalized market and then one of the last large areas of pretty good skies on the east coast will shrink even further

The pot growers are already using 24/7 facilities like that in Colorado. They are fenced and brightly lit for "security", so not only are there lights in the greenhouses, but also huge light towers to illuminate the areas around the farm. In dark areas these operations create significant light domes. Colorado is a "right to farm" state and that means complainers will be told to go pound sand.

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Re: Large Ohio greenhouses--This...doesn't sound good
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2018, 07:43:03 AM »
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There having a similar issue around Laconia New Hampshire and people are complaining about it. I read an article a few months ago that a huge one in Poland is causing light domes across the border in the Czech republic and are annoying the Czechs.. I am worried about this, because of the legalization of marijuana in the state next door where my dark site is will undoubtedly spawn many greenhouse operations-that is if the Feds allow it.I imagine Maine, with its short growing season will also experience an upsurge to meet the demand of their legalized market and then one of the last large areas of pretty good skies on the east coast will shrink even further

The pot growers are already using 24/7 facilities like that in Colorado. They are fenced and brightly lit for "security", so not only are there lights in the greenhouses, but also huge light towers to illuminate the areas around the farm. In dark areas these operations create significant light domes. Colorado is a "right to farm" state and that means complainers will be told to go pound sand.
I assume that the pot "farmers" also have the right to shield their lights?? Make it their duty.

Does cannabis not grow during the day?

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Re: Large Ohio greenhouses--This...doesn't sound good
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2018, 07:56:11 AM »
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There having a similar issue around Laconia New Hampshire and people are complaining about it. I read an article a few months ago that a huge one in Poland is causing light domes across the border in the Czech republic and are annoying the Czechs.. I am worried about this, because of the legalization of marijuana in the state next door where my dark site is will undoubtedly spawn many greenhouse operations-that is if the Feds allow it.I imagine Maine, with its short growing season will also experience an upsurge to meet the demand of their legalized market and then one of the last large areas of pretty good skies on the east coast will shrink even further

The pot growers are already using 24/7 facilities like that in Colorado. They are fenced and brightly lit for "security", so not only are there lights in the greenhouses, but also huge light towers to illuminate the areas around the farm. In dark areas these operations create significant light domes. Colorado is a "right to farm" state and that means complainers will be told to go pound sand.
I assume that the pot "farmers" also have the right to shield their lights?? Make it their duty.

Does cannabis not grow during the day?
The right to farm laws shield farmers from nuisance lawsuits. They can create dust, noise, odors, nightime lights, etc., and surrounding property owners basically have no recourse.

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Re: Large Ohio greenhouses--This...doesn't sound good
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2018, 10:00:52 AM »
It varies from State to State, but here, farms/ranches are protected from "nuisance" lawsuits if they have been in operation before the complaining property owner has lived there. Otherwise, someone cannot move in next door to a farm/ranch & file suit against the farm/ranch operation that has been there. New property owners should be aware of odor, dust, noise, etc. before they buy.