Author Topic: Light green zone - You've gotta be bleepin' kidding me!  (Read 468 times)

Justin Lewis

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Light green zone - You've gotta be bleepin' kidding me!
« on: December 27, 2017, 11:49:44 PM »
I am one of those poor unfortunates who live in and observe from Manhattan. The light pollution here is beyond awful. I am at 9++++ here. I can only see about 40-50 stars in the sky, and that's only after 11pm, when the light pollution has "gone down", ahem. On some nights I can't even see Albireo visually, even if it's overhead. That's magnitude 3.0. That's bad. Really bad. And, like most Manhattanites, of course I have no car.

As I type this, I am visiting a friend who lives outside of Santa Rosa, CA (actually near Freestone) in a light green zone. ARE YOU <BLEEP>in' kidding me? I would use much stronger language, and use it repeatedly throughout this post, but I don't want to get censored or banned from the site.

THIS IS INCREDIBLE!!!

I have never, ever seen as many stars. I could even see them as we turned into his driveway with his headlights still on, when my jaw dropped open. I could even see them when we opened the car doors and the interior dome light came on, when I bent over to pick my jaw up from the ground.

The Milky Way arced completely from one end of the sky to the other - from Cassiopeia on one end all the way to Sagittarius on the other. INSANE! There was some fuzzy patch of stars above the end star of the Big Dipper - I had no idea what that was. There was some other fuzzy patch of stars in Aquila, and I had no idea what that was. I'm glad I know my way around the sky, or else I would have gotten lost, there were so many stars.

Oh, what I wouldn't give to have a telescope out here! I am so jealous of you guys who get to experience this on a regular basis.

It's a crying shame what we've done to our skies!



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Re: Light green zone - You've gotta be bleepin' kidding me!
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2017, 06:54:06 AM »
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It's a crying shame what we've done to our skies!

Yep. That about covers it.

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Re: Light green zone - You've gotta be bleepin' kidding me!
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2018, 12:37:52 PM »
You're lucky - you can see mag 3 Alberio. Not so here in London with 10M folk all lit up ! I can currently see the 'bright' Summer Triangle when clear.  But then I don't eyeball through my backyard scope as it's a waste of time and use the Lodestar EP camera instead and the faintest galaxies pop into view in a few seconds in full color.

Those under severe LP need a different perspective and dump the EP or give up:-)
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Re: Light green zone - You've gotta be bleepin' kidding me!
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2018, 06:25:39 AM »
Don't give up. Take a drive or try looking at what you can see. Double stars are not too hard and there are plenty of brighter ones. The planets are nice and there are the brighter star clusters...

that is what I look at here in Columbus. I usually can't see Albireo without averted vision. Last couple of nights it was unusually clear and I actually could see it! Usually Ursa Major only has 6 stars here.

It is sad and your friend in the light green zone is Lucky - Lucky - Lucky! I wish that was the case here. (crying sounds)

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Re: Light green zone - You've gotta be bleepin' kidding me!
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2018, 09:33:54 AM »
I guess my skies are a little better but still horrible compared to the good stuff. I spend a lot of time on planets, and I love it. Light pollution can't hurt me! At least not yet!

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Re: Light green zone - You've gotta be bleepin' kidding me!
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2018, 10:13:33 PM »
Denver here...you mean you can see stars in town too? Best I can do is see the handle stars of the big dipper on a good night...Luckily, outside of Denver is just a bunch of open land...grey zones in most any direction within a 2 hour drive...except here the last couple of years, grey skies to match except when they're that yucky yellowish reflected light glow....

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Re: Light green zone - You've gotta be bleepin' kidding me!
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2018, 09:00:33 AM »
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Denver here...you mean you can see stars in town too? Best I can do is see the handle stars of the big dipper on a good night...Luckily, outside of Denver is just a bunch of open land...grey zones in most any direction within a 2 hour drive...except here the last couple of years, grey skies to match except when they're that yucky yellowish reflected light glow....

Actually, I am thinking about moving to Denver, in part for the 300 days of sun a year I've read you're supposed to get there - which implies 300 clear nights a year or thereabouts as well.

But are you telling me that the conditions in Denver are as bad as what I've described in Manhattan? What is your visual limiting magnitude? And are you right in downtown Denver, or somewhere out nearer the 'burbs? I'd be very curious to know.

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Re: Light green zone - You've gotta be bleepin' kidding me!
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2018, 09:19:43 AM »
Best not go to a real black sky zone at altitude--your brain will short circuit! Dark skies.Jack

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Re: Light green zone - You've gotta be bleepin' kidding me!
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2018, 12:53:07 PM »
My dark blue site will show 8th magnitude with averted vision on a good night. It has been years since I have been out a night in a black zone.

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Re: Light green zone - You've gotta be bleepin' kidding me!
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2018, 01:53:37 PM »
I used to live in a bortle RED zone but now live in a bortle DARK ORANGE zone. When I get the chance I can drive to Mt. Rainier National Park which is a bortle DARK BLUE zone, but my favorite is Mt. St. Helens National Volcanic Monument which is a bortle DARK BLUE on northwest side and GREY to DARK GREY on the east side. A year and a half ago, I was in eastern Oregon near the John Day Fossil Beds National Monument where it is a BLACK bortle zone. There is where I first could see my shadow by the light of the Milky Way....there was no moon up that night.

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Re: Light green zone - You've gotta be bleepin' kidding me!
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2018, 01:59:48 PM »
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I used to live in a bortle RED zone but now live in a bortle DARK ORANGE zone. When I get the chance I can drive to Mt. Rainier National Park which is a bortle DARK BLUE zone, but my favorite is Mt. St. Helens National Volcanic Monument which is a bortle DARK BLUE on northwest side and GREY to DARK GREY on the east side. A year and a half ago, I was in eastern Oregon near the John Day Fossil Beds National Monument where it is a BLACK bortle zone. There is where I first could see my shadow by the light of the Milky Way....there was no moon up that night.


Wow.

Wow.

WOW!

Oh, man, you're killin' me!

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Re: Light green zone - You've gotta be bleepin' kidding me!
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2018, 02:31:53 PM »
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I used to live in a bortle RED zone but now live in a bortle DARK ORANGE zone. When I get the chance I can drive to Mt. Rainier National Park which is a bortle DARK BLUE zone, but my favorite is Mt. St. Helens National Volcanic Monument which is a bortle DARK BLUE on northwest side and GREY to DARK GREY on the east side. A year and a half ago, I was in eastern Oregon near the John Day Fossil Beds National Monument where it is a BLACK bortle zone. There is where I first could see my shadow by the light of the Milky Way....there was no moon up that night.

The Bortle scale runs 1-9 with 1 as the best.

http://www.skyandtel...dark-sky-scale/

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Re: Light green zone - You've gotta be bleepin' kidding me!
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2018, 07:05:46 PM »
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I used to live in a bortle RED zone but now live in a bortle DARK ORANGE zone. When I get the chance I can drive to Mt. Rainier National Park which is a bortle DARK BLUE zone, but my favorite is Mt. St. Helens National Volcanic Monument which is a bortle DARK BLUE on northwest side and GREY to DARK GREY on the east side. A year and a half ago, I was in eastern Oregon near the John Day Fossil Beds National Monument where it is a BLACK bortle zone. There is where I first could see my shadow by the light of the Milky Way....there was no moon up that night.

The Bortle scale runs 1-9 with 1 as the best.

http://www.skyandtel...dark-sky-scale/
You're right, there's two measurements of light pollution. One is the Bortle scale, where I'm 9++++. The other is the 15-color scale, where I'm as white as white can be.

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Re: Light green zone - You've gotta be bleepin' kidding me!
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2018, 03:20:24 AM »
By the way, that patch of stars "in Aquila" turns out to be Delphinus, a constellation that I've never seen before. And that patch above Alkaid in Ursa Major turns out to be a couple of stars around Theta Bootes.

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Re: Light green zone - You've gotta be bleepin' kidding me!
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2018, 08:28:57 AM »
Jon, have you considered electronically assisted observing in near realtime or realtime? It has taken all my frustration with LP away. I can stay in my backyard using a small scope and see quite a bit more than usual high LP targets. Stop by EAA forum if you ever feel so frustrated you want to quit observing in the city. Many methods and gear used but they all pretty much cut through heavy LP to add a lot more targets than doubles, lunar, planetary, and large clusters.