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bronedproudem

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Light Pollution Letter
« on: December 30, 2017, 03:12:38 PM »
Hello Everyone,Take a good look at the image. If <em class="bbc">we don't stop it, nobody else will. I've had my Mag 5.5 skies back home turn into Mag 3 over the course of 15 years. When I'm there I no longer look up. This is a common story and if it continues many of us <em class="bbc">will lose our hobby.I have written a draft letter, please download it, read it, modify it if you need to, and send it to your Senator, Representative, Governor, and any relevant town officials. This is <em class="bbc">easy and something we can all do. Here's the letter: www.physiol.ox.ac.uk/~raac/LP_Letter.rtfAlso, please consider joining the IDA (www.darksky.org): we are much stronger as an organised group.

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Vincent Reside

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Re: Light Pollution Letter
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2018, 01:06:50 AM »
I did a little editing and a copy paste to add the picture to the end of the letter. I can forward the file to anyone who wants it. To large to upload here.

Jaye Agting

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Re: Light Pollution Letter
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2018, 03:28:56 AM »
Mary's idea is excellent. I have updated the letter to include the image and added a sentence to explain what it means. The link in the original post points to the updated file. If you have any further suggestions please let me know and I will try to incorporate them.

Tyler Cox

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Re: Light Pollution Letter
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2018, 01:15:09 AM »
Thanks for sharing this with the members here!Great idea!

steviselath

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Re: Light Pollution Letter
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2018, 04:55:55 AM »
Ok! I've so far written to a couple of Senators.

Michael Washington

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Re: Light Pollution Letter
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2018, 10:23:21 PM »
As soon as I get a clear night I am going to get a couple pictures of the light dome over the tiny town of 280 I live in. Old streetlights that send as much light up as down. Add it to the letter along with some research on the electricity the town could save by not lighting up the sky and everyone's yard.

lorndwatassi

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Re: Light Pollution Letter
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2018, 06:58:03 AM »
Why isn't light pollution seen as problematic as other kinds of pollution such as water, air, noise and so on? We are working hard in all these other areas--but only a very little in the area of light pollution.

pregdefciato

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Re: Light Pollution Letter
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2018, 11:56:27 PM »
Because it's indirect, Gene. Air and water pollution will make you sick. Even noise pollution can make you sick through stress. None of those forms of pollution is directly beneficial. Light pollution on the other hand is a direct and immediate by-product of illuminating our streets. Illuminating the dark is obviously useful. Yes, the light that spills upwards is wasted and has unwanted consequences. But for most people those consequences are unimportant. It's true that better lighting will save money and reduce carbon dioxide emissions, etc, but this leap in thinking is difficult since it's indirect. It's OUR job to educate people on what they're missing through LP and to show them that fixing the problem doesn't mean switching off the lights. It is our collective job to educate and we're failing miserably.

Of course LED lighting is the way forward, is it not? Now we can produce even more light whilst using less energy. Here you go:
www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-03-02-streetlights_N.htm
LED lights will be brighter and whiter if we don't speak up. That's why you should all stop procrastinating and start mailing.

Todd Kue

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Re: Light Pollution Letter
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2018, 07:42:20 PM »
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Of course LED lighting is the way forward, is it not?

Thats currently under debate. A new scurge of enhanced blue light LEDs will worsen light pollution

See http://docs.darksky...._SeeingBlue.pdf

olchakisur

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Re: Light Pollution Letter
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2018, 09:09:50 AM »
I was being sarcastic

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Re: Light Pollution Letter
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2018, 06:10:35 AM »
We actually have decent LP laws in my town (Long Island, about 40 miles east of NYC) complete with special streetlamps...The lamps do help, as I've seen regular lamps a few blocks away and they are glaring.  Personally, I am VERY pessimistic about the current state of LP.  I just don't see the human race ever collectively realizing the damage it is doing enough to do anything on a substantial scale...

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Re: Light Pollution Letter
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2018, 03:53:56 AM »
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We actually have decent LP laws in my town


That's a good beginning!

Rodney Slater

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Re: Light Pollution Letter
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2018, 04:30:12 AM »
I am unaware of any significant LP laws on Long Island.  In fact, no one here seems to care.  I called my town about street lights shining my bedroom while we sleep.  Don't care.I invited my neighbors over to view through my telescope and they saw how their house lights intruded on the view.  Don't care.I kindly asked that they either shield their lights or adjust the motion sensors so they're not constantly on all the time.  They said no.No one cares.  I truly believe it's futile and will inevitably get even worse.-Dave

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Re: Light Pollution Letter
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2018, 10:56:05 PM »
I'm on LI! What are these LP laws? Where are you?

I'm pessimistic too, but that's no excuse we HAVE to try. There is no excuse for not trying. We're our own worst enemies, Dave above believes it's futile and I've heard that echoed by many. I'm sorry for your bad experience, Dave. It must be very dispiriting. However, for every bad experience there has been a good one.

I can assure you of one thing with certainty, people, if we don't try it WILL get worse. If we do try, then all bets are off. If everyone did their bit then I really believe it would make a difference. At the very least we can set up protected zones. The town above is a good example that change is possible and can be used to help other local towns to change. This example by no means stands alone.

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Re: Light Pollution Letter
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2018, 01:24:14 AM »
I'm in Ronkonkoma, Town of Brookhaven...don't get me wrong it's not like I have pristine dark skies, but we do have RELATIVELY better legislation...I'm trying to dig up the particulars and I will send you the link.