Author Topic: LP Solution: LIGHT-EFFICIENT COMMUNITIES  (Read 573 times)

Lcs King

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Re: LP Solution: LIGHT-EFFICIENT COMMUNITIES
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2018, 08:30:26 AM »
Hi Richard,The whole concept is important enough that I have about 26 municipalities interested and have not been turned down yet by any I have approached. The nature preserve is a private reserve - no name. This is located 2 miles South of the hamlet of Ashmont, Alberta. We have a large wooded section of the quarter and harbour everything from bears, deer and moose down to rabbits and squirrels.

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« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2018, 09:39:55 PM »
There are some LED fixtures locally, and I and others see a problem in that the light is very concentrated directly under the  pole ,not spread out over the ground.The best light is  soft illumination over a large area.

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« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2018, 10:23:07 PM »
It's great to hear that this approach works. It's a clever observation that "light pollution" is a negative term. I think your approach to this should be more widely adopted: good luck with seeing it through! For more impact, I reckon your website would get more hits and be easier to read if you change the format a little. The main things are:1. Avoid images of text (e.g. http://www.albertada....ca/img113.gif) because this won't be indexed by search engines, looks blocky, and can't be re-sized by readers with vision problems. You can have text flow around images, etc, with HTML.2. At the bottom of the pages you have links. To get to the link one must click on a blue square, not the text with the link name. If you remove the square and move the link to the text itself, it will become easier to navigate the site as this is the paradigm people expect.  3. Add a title to your site where you currently have "blank." Google uses those titles to index sites and they also appear on the browser tabs, etc. Hope that's useful. PM me if you want more suggestions, etc.

Donnell Keown

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« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2018, 05:52:58 AM »
I believe the concept used by lighting engineers is to create better vision by using contrast. To do this you have to have brighter and darker areas of light against which objects are seen. As a photographer, I know that the best way to present an object you really want seen is to use contrasty light. Even illumination is great for some photos but not when you are trying to quickly and easily identify an object. Talk to your local lighting engineer.

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« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2018, 03:57:41 PM »
Thanks for the vote of support. As well, thanks for the suggestions on the web site. I am trying to get a problem corrected with my program but that has not occurred yet. Perhaps the use of buttons is showing my age...lol.

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« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2018, 10:42:21 PM »
You might find it easier to actually edit the HTML itself. This is easier than you might think. Often the HTML that's produced by a program is overly complicated and gives you the impression that it's all just impenetrable voodoo. However, if you write it by hand you'll see that it takes very little to make the site look excellent. The easiest way to start is to find a good, intuitive, template and modify it. PM me if you want to go this route and need assistance. I don't have time to make the whole site, but I can help.

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« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2018, 08:22:30 AM »
Hi UmaDog,Many thanks for the advice and the offer. Right now I do not have the time either to really get involved in this but I will add it to my "to do" list. I am supposed to be retired but doing the LEC work is a full time job then some. At least every once in awhile I get outside to do a little observing..lol. Jupiter is beautiful this time of year!

Kyle Montes

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« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2018, 12:01:40 PM »
How have you gotten your foot in the door with council people to give you the time of day much less read the materials?Do you present at meetings or is most of this accomplished with e-mail and phone calls? What has been the most effective? All of the above?

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« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2018, 07:15:03 PM »
Hi aatt,Town and city councilors are supposed to be receptive to their constituents. Usually, you can make an appointment to see them. I started with the councilor for our area, set up an appointment and showed her the materials I had developed from the research available. She also recommended another councilor, who is now our mayor, fortunately. He became a great supporter as well. Other councilors were very supportive too. The key is to talk about cutting energy and light waste and saving money. New LED streetlights can do that. Also the lighting is better than that from the old cobra head luminaires. Then, there is the problems related to health, safety, security, flora, fauna and the environment. LED's are the beginning and while you are at it, you may as well bring in community-source waste light and complete the picture. Municipalities show that they are serious about their waste cutting program by converting the streetlights and the lighting for their assets. They can then expect citizens and business to do the same. Once the policy is in place, the rest follows. We received NO BACKLASH from our population as we were educating them through the media, etc. about the advantages of the new lighting policies, even though one paper referred to us as "Angels of Darkness"..lol.  Educating your councilors is absolutely basic. Providing them with educational materials (all on my web site) will do that. Talking fiscal responsibility and waste minimization is a language they understand. I also use telephone and e-mail to introduce other communities in Alberta to the concept and add them to my mailing list for LEC-type information. I hope this helps. Just remember, it only takes ONE PERSON to change the world. The trick is taking the right approach.

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« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2018, 01:21:53 PM »
So the LEDs you're getting aren't the blue-shifted ones?

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« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2018, 11:36:20 PM »
Hi UmaDogThe lights we are putting in are the lowest colour temperature available for general streetlighting. This year we will be starting with 4500K and below so I am told. Those initially installed were around 5000K, I believe. Having the lowest colour temp. LED's is a concern of ours and we are doing our best to make sure they are not towards the blue end of the spectrum.

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« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2018, 03:55:42 AM »
IDA materials illustrate how excessively bright lights blind the  observer and create shadows that hide hazards ,be those hazards human,animal, or debris and potholes.

 I can respect engineers yet know from personal experience they are not little gods.The  architect who designed  our company building in the year 2000 ,built an uninsulated ,electrically heated  concrete block structure with large window area of clear glass facing east and south.Then placed computer workstations directly in front of those unshaded windows with the operators facing the main windows .Remediation consisted of  having a contractor install window tint AND dark shades. Also  a convenient stainless steel writing shelf outside that is suitable for cooking in summer and freezing to skin in winter.Plus conducts heat or cold wonderfully well into the office.And said shelf was placed  jutting into the space above the steps thus threatening the abdomen (or other parts) of anyone accessing the office.I could list a few other design  "errors" like placing uninsulated water pipes in the unheated space  above the ceiling .All this in the Ohio rivey valley climate.This isn't the only degreed expert I have met that exhibited  little understanding of matters pertaining to his field. I have heard  electrical engineers asking vendor reps for answers to problems that should have been easily answered had the engineer applied Ohm's Law !Some experts must have graduated at the bottom of their class,thus  it is important to determine if  the person with that certificate REALLY knows what he is doing.

In summation,we are not talking about dramatic and artistic photography but the need for people to be able to see  clearly a roadway that is clear and adjacent sidewalks and berms as well.

Bright areas of light cause the human eye to be unable to see in the dimmer areas.My newly purchased 3 watt LED flashlight is  less useful than I hoped since it illuminates a much smaller circle than my convential Maglite.

Human eyes are not cameras.

The lighting that I,and I believe most people,will be able to discern the most,is that of flood,not spot, lighting.My car headlights need to show me the  deer,dog,drunk,or child  that may step into my path ,not just light  the roadway.

Surely LED fixtures can be designed to evenly illuminate  without sending wasteful light into the sky or drivers' eyes.

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« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2018, 04:09:34 AM »
Husky1Lest you think I am being too critical,I do most enthusiastically applaud your efforts to reduce unwanted,wasteful lighting.As for talking with my local lighting engineer,one need only look at the dozens of newly-installed blazing arc lamps lining several miles of the local maim highway.They are angled about 45 degrees so as to illuminate five lanes and both shoulders while having only one set of poles ;which,naturally,are all on the SOUTH side of the road ,wheras most houses are on the north side.Indiana also has hundreds of doubledecker billboards illuminated with upward floodlights along major highways. The outdoor advertising people apparently LOVE upward floods since they use them  on so many types of signs.Being in a so-called "rurban" area I have watched as the number of security lights (all of the cheapest old design,and many installed by the local electric co-op or Duke Energy )increased vastly as one farm after another  was replaced by 6 or 15 homes,each with their own light.Or two.Or even THREE in some cases. 30 years ago there were probably no more than a dozen such lights within a mile of my home;now? likely a hundred!Four decades of incessant promotion of those mercury security lights have been very successful;asking my neighbors to turn them off would result in laughter at best and calls to the sherrif at worst.Only if and when the utility companies find it profitable to replace those lights do I expect any change.Which isn't likely even if I live as long as John Dobson.

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« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2018, 07:41:04 AM »
Hi Big C!Thanks for your comments. I agree that not all engineers, lighting or not, are really up to date on what is happening when it comes to protecting the environment from waste light. The lighting engineers in our community had an awakening, to put it mildly, when the lighting engineers in our group were able to counter their claims. All of us can learn, if we are willing and sometimes we are forced into learning. In our case, our politicians were a very powerful force in assisting us to make change. Education also played an extremely important role. However, I am well aware that there are those who will not see and, unfortunately, they are everywhere. Changing the policies within a community force compliance on the power companies as, otherwise, they would be in contempt of the law. Politicians are responsible for the health and welfare of their constituents and must bring in policies which ensure that. I realize that many communities are political quagmires but if no one acts the situation will never improve. Our power provider will be millions of dollars poorer due to our change in policies but that is life. Our taxpayers come first and many politicians must be reminded of that when it appears they are siding with commercial operations. Research shows there is so much wrong with the way we light our communities and yet we are paying for it. Ask your councilor why your community continues to use obsolete, inefficient lighting systems that cost far more to operate and maintain than LED systems. As a taxpayer you have the right to know why your community government is acting the way it does.

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« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2018, 07:48:45 AM »
Husky1, Education is definitely the key,I should say proper unbiased education;because too many ridiculous claims have  been made for  solar and wind power ,CFL bulbs,etc. Most of the rural security lights are utility installed  on the utility  side of the meter and billed at a fixed monthly rate;the customer cannot turn the light off if he wanted! The street and highway lights are mostly utility installed and the governmental body pays a lease fee.Two local communities  actually operate their own city electric utility ,buying power wholesale and then installing,maintaining, and billing .THOSE   are  installing some LED  streetlamps as the incentives ,economic and political must be stronger. The other area  lights mean pressuring local politicians to change contracts with  companies headquarted far away. (I am not a fan of the 1980s deregulation here which led to consolidation of so many industries,such that we lost our local gas and electric companies,our local banks,etc.An executive in some large metropolis cares little for us hicks except as  a profit source.)I neglected to mention the local economy is being propped up these last two decades by casino gambling.Casinos and their  environs are very brightly lit! And of course so must be the roads  leading there.Because of the number of jobs AND the huge boost in local tax revenue,criticism of casino operations in even mild form is met with hostility.A truck driver complained to me last week that the new LED headlights in his company trucks fail to make enough heat to melt off  accumulated or even keep snow from accumulating on those headlights.A reminder that one solution does not fit all situations.The people in an area may be strongly opinianated  for or against  something to the extent changing their minds is a Quixotic  AND Herculean task.Not sometyhing I feel up to at the moment.I have educated the county council in the past.A animal (really,people) control ordinance was passed  AFTER having been approved by the county's own lawyer;but I appeared at council with 14 pages of citations showing said ordinance conflicted with state and federal laws including the U.S. Constitution! The ordinance was rescinded and redrafted  to be less onerous and in agreement with higher law.For my trouble I received  a screaming tirade from the original ordinance supporters and a unsigned,typed letter wishing me and a local official both DEAD!(Local officials did nothing with the letter but I did state in open session that I would defend myself if necessary.)It may be of mild intereset to know I was an early  would-be adopter of CFL-and sorely disappointed by the short lifespan  and extended warm-up times of lamps costing $8 -13 ,when the ordinary incandescent  at 4 for $1 worked better and longer.I have bought at least two dozem CFL and the only ones giving good service  have been left on continuously .Early LED replacement lamps at $5 each provided barely more than a spot of light.On the other hand,heavily discounted prices after Christmas make strings of LED in red or white useful  cheap and effective  for pathway lighting.Anyway I am not convinced outlawing incandescents is the solution as much as simply directly proper levels of illumination where it is needed.