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Re: Moving To southeast US, looking for recommendations
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2018, 05:31:00 PM »
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Be aware Asheville has similar weather to southern NY State, its a great area, but gets its winter.
I'd politely disagree.  Asheville's average January temperatures (coldest month on average) are a respective high/low of 47°F/27°F, and the average seasonal snowfall is around one foot.  Colder and snowier than Charlotte, yes, but New Yorkers, even those on Long Island, NYC, or Poughkeepsie would find "winters" in Asheville more benign than back home.
Combine that with an average July high/ow of 84°F/64°F (it's 2,000-ft up, after all), and that's one reason it's on my short list for moving to when (well, IF) I retire.  All four seasons, but none of the extremes.
Clear Skies,
Phil
Well, back before the internet I kind of developed that impression.
At that time I was living up there and had two sources of information, the Weather Channel and a friend in Forest City, which is of course at a much lower altitude, and back then before these crazy eastern winters it didn't seem that much different. I have relitives
In southern NJ, granted they are close to the coast, but Charlotte averages only about 5° warmer.
If I knew Charlotte was this cold, cloudy and rainy, I wouldn't have moved here. LOL

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Re: Moving To southeast US, looking for recommendations
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2018, 11:39:34 PM »
Researched some of the north FL sites mentioned. Also busy researching the WV area that Glen gave me some good details on. After my house sells and after divorce is final I plan to take a trip to checkout some places this summer if anyone wants to show me some sights near towns I'm considering  Currently wheeling WV is on the list but I'm concerned about still having too much winter. I am unsure what side of the mountains that is, will check, but I noted it's still at 40°N.. I keep coming back to NC but it's so developed... Everything is growing... I don't want to settle somewhere that's bound to have more LP. I was looking most recently at a smaller town of 30k south of Asheville called Henderson I think. Asheville is pretty cool (visited couple yrs ago). I kind of want to go into SC , probably western side as everyone mentioned. MAYBE coast. Unlikely but I do want to stop in Beaufort, sc. but my concern is not being welcomed as a northerner in a smaller town/city. One of the bigger cities would be ok except the LP. (And I do check crime stat, so some I would pass on) I've been researching all of the suburb towns around the cities in NC and SC, many I have to remove from the list after reading one thing or another.. There's a lot with red zone centers and a lot of orange and some even close to blue which is mind blowing  meaning, I'm liking no white zone towns. i like little main streets, but also the big box stores are nice to have sort of close. Asheville has a Ducati dealer  (I'm thinking service I am in no position to buy one) . I plan to reach out to the chamber in Henderson NC for starters. And look hard at the other smaller cities in both Carolinas.

Ive vey been extremely busy getting my house ready to put n the market so research has slowed , but not stopped. It's a good thing that I probably have a couple months, so plenty of time to research.

So what im checking when I look at each town:
darkskyfinder maps
zillow for real estate ideas for the respective area
city data for all kinds of info (weather as well as forums to see what people are saying about the town)
chamber info to see what kind of businesses and how many.

Any ideas that that I might be overlooking, or sources of info?
Thanks again, can't wait to dig back into my research.

matt

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Re: Moving To southeast US, looking for recommendations
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2018, 06:01:33 AM »
Wow that sounds great. I had pretty much written off the rain and cloud belt with constant 90% humidity  but I do love GA. I will check it out.

Oh just clarifying that I'm self employed, offering it services to small offices, up to 30 workstations, say.. That's why I'm looking at the smaller towns. I also run a small web hosting company but I like and need the extra IT work. Unfortunately it will be starting my business all over again. I'll be very invested in the community I choose. so, like the guy in Indiana Jones says... I. Must choose wisely

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Re: Moving To southeast US, looking for recommendations
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2018, 08:04:55 AM »
Henderson is almost a section of Asheville, don't get me wrong, I love the Asheville area, great people, very beautiful a great astro club, just a little cold for me, I'm a wimp, lol.
If you want DARK skies, look at Blue field WV its on the VA state line, in fact it might be VA. But in terms of things to do, its a dead area, but Cheap living and very scenic.
BTW, check out Pinehurst NC, Dark yet civilized.
Good luck

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Re: Moving To southeast US, looking for recommendations
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2018, 11:23:15 PM »
Go West, Young Man......Good advice then, and now....Utah, Idaho, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona....Especially check the Four Corners" area....close by some of the most beautiful country you will ever see....and dark skies to make you cry....

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Re: Moving To southeast US, looking for recommendations
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2018, 02:13:29 AM »
Matt,

I would scratch Wheeling, WV, off the list. It is only marginally warmer in the wintertime vs. western MA, with January highs in the mid-30s. You'll still get snow. Worst part, though, is the cloudiness. I live 65 miles NW of Wheeling as the crow flies, and this region is VERY cloudy from November through March. Wheeling is downwind of the Lake Erie Cloud Machine and is west of the Appalachian Mountains and while you won't get the Buffalo-like "snowpocalypse" snowfalls, you'll get plenty of clouds. Maddening stretches of cold, bleak battleship-gray winter skies that slowly siphon a piece of your soul. Seasonal Affective Disorder is not a laughing matter around here. Picture winter in the Pacific Northwest, only with more, um, variety in your precipitation type.
Avoid at all costs.

Clear Skies,
Phil

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Re: Moving To southeast US, looking for recommendations
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2018, 04:10:23 AM »
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Nine months of the year Atlanta is very pleasant.
Three summer months are very humid. Better than harsh winters.

Amen. You don't have to shovel heat and humidity.

Clear Skies,
Phil

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Re: Moving To southeast US, looking for recommendations
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2018, 01:29:41 PM »
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thanks for valuable feedback!. I was thinking Carolinas would be slightly less hot/humid than deeper south. Though Athens (and a few others) looks good as a college town ,but it's deep.  Boone looks really nice but a little too cold. My friend Robert from AL has been telling me the same thing about the Deep South, it's the heat and humidity. I have been romanticizing it lately since I'm still using the heat! It's absurd. Asheville would probably be ideal for me but again was looking for more south. It's a strong contender for many reasons though. . It's obvious even to me I have too many requirements. Just throwing it all out there. Carolinas sound better and better. Paul, what are the weather patterns like around your area? Temps throughout year and cloud cover, humid seasons? . Know of any smaller nearby cities I should checkout? I was looking at Beaufort sc but there are two marine bases nearby that just destroy the darkness. I do have to checkout Berea KY though, sounds really nice.

FL or southwest is looking better, or Carolinas. I was hoping for a moderate year round temperate climate with a decent (not too large) business climate. I guess I could try a slightly larger city. Maybe go for the outskirts or something. Can always drive to darker skies.

im making a list of contending towns /regions that I plan to checkout this summer, so if you have any recommendations please let me know. I think I mentioned I'm divorcing, so I am looking for affordable places to buy a home, though as I told Glen, I'll obviously have to pay more for a good safe pleasant location if needed. To a point.

Believe it or not, it's actually not as hot here on the Gulf Coast that it will be in Tennessee or any other inland area that's flat land. Going into the Appalachians will get you above some of the haze and will get you cooler temperatures as well.Truly dark areas are very few and far between East of the Mississippi, I have to drive two hours or more from Mobile to get to the nearest ofthem. There are reasonably dark skies however across the Southeast if you are 50 miles or more away from the nearest large city. The skies across the region are milky compared to the West, you will have to make do with that. The seeing in the spring, summer and early fall can be very good though. In winter fronts can sweep the air clear of haze allowing you to see faint deep sky objects, but the poor seeing and fierce radiational cooling at night will mean fuzz ball stars and boiling planets. At least you do not have to deal with lethally cold temperatures in the Southeast at night, but closer to the Gulf Coast be warned that mosquitos and other flying pests abound, plan on using the bug juice.

As for possible sites in Florida, I do know of one place you might be interested in. Port St. Joe Florida is one of the darkest spots in the entire state. It's also close to Tallahassee and Panama City FL, and two military bases. There's almost no streetlights to speak of, and during good weather I can see galaxies with a 6-inch that are dimmer than 12th magnitude. Most of the year only locals live there, in summer many folks go there for the beaches, which are unspoiled and accessible to everyone, not just condo owners.

Taras

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Re: Moving To southeast US, looking for recommendations
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2018, 04:56:51 PM »
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Nine months of the year Atlanta is very pleasant.
Three summer months are very humid. Better than harsh winters.

Amen. You don't have to shovel heat and humidity.

Clear Skies,
Phil

But you certainly can.

I'll also pop in to mention Pensacola, Florida. Conecuh National Forest in very southern Alabama is pretty darn dark (between Brewton to the west and Andalusia to the East and a bit south). On the Florida side of the line Conecuh National Forest is bordered by Blackwater State Forest. That keeps development down a good bit in the very local area.

If you like beaches, Pcola has world class ones. And that's not some tourist PR baloney either. And IMO the town is big enough to have mostly what you need but not bigger than you'll need either.

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Re: Moving To southeast US, looking for recommendations
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2018, 12:21:13 PM »
Did a quick MapQuest check.

If you lived in the North East part of Pensacola, near the interstate, your drive to Conecuh National Forest is 70 miles give or take. Half of that is interstate, the other half good easy driving rural highway. Half that distance will get well into Blackwater State Forest that is still pretty respectably dark.

If you decided to live more towards the center or south part of town, add about 15 miles and 15 to 30 minutes depending on time of day traffic considerations. If you lived in Crestview, you can cut about 30 miles off the drive.

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Re: Moving To southeast US, looking for recommendations
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2018, 02:50:49 AM »
In Florida, dark places are usually inhabited by gators and other not so fun things......GO WEST!!

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Re: Moving To southeast US, looking for recommendations
« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2018, 11:27:46 PM »
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In Florida, dark places are usually inhabited by gators and other not so fun things......GO WEST!!
Where you will find bears, cougars, and rattlesnakes.There are many reasons to prefer the West to the East for astronomy, but wild animals aren't among those.

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Re: Moving To southeast US, looking for recommendations
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2018, 02:40:22 AM »
I take it the OP is looking at light pollution maps.

If you look at them, there are only a handful of places that are really dark in the southeast (and even they have detectable/mildly troublesome light pollution).

A couple of dark holes in the Virgina and West Virginia area.

The middle of the Okeefeenokee (sp?) swamp in southern Georgia.. Good luck driving to center of that.

The armpit area of Florida, where the ??? astronomy village is.

Appalachacola (sp?) National Forest southwest of Tallahassee, FL. From the looks of the light pollution maps this is second only to the Virginia/West Virginia stuff, but probably better weather, much more southerly located, and near a major town with a major university.

Northeast of Pensacola, FL in very southern Alabama, Conecuh National Forest on the on the Florida/Ala line with Blackwater State Forest to the south.

A slightly bigger dark zone than Conecuh is more westerly in Alabama and a bit northerly. Southwest of Montgomery (its obvious on the light pollution maps).

And perhaps a handful of small blue zone scattered about in the various southeastern states. But most of these smaller blue zones are also much close to much brighter zones than the sites listed above, which means you are ALSO going to get light domes (remember light pollution maps are only showing zenith sky brightness).

And that's about it.

Slim pickings.

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Re: Moving To southeast US, looking for recommendations
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2018, 12:36:20 PM »
Oh, and another point.

A towns listed population can be quite misleading. For example the actual city of Pensacolalooks pretty small from the numbers. But the number of people that actually live IN the city properis only a fraction of the people that DON'T live IN the city technically speaking but for all practical purposes are still "in" Pensacola.

For example, in post 10 Tallahassee's official size is 180k ish while Pcola is 50k ish. Which is very misleading because in reality the Pcola metro area population roughly the same as Tally (and I'm guessing probably even greater).

You might want to look at county populations and population density maps to get an idea of how big or small a town actually is population wise for work/business purposes.

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Re: Moving To southeast US, looking for recommendations
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2018, 01:22:24 PM »
To correct a minor issue up-thread... "Henderson, NC" is a smallish town in north-central-east NC. Hendersonville is the smaller town south of Asheville.

Jim H.