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Neighbor purposely removed light shield
« on: December 27, 2017, 01:49:00 PM »
Well this was an unexpected move on my neighbors part.  They where getting a meter installed in his out building/workshop.  Then I noticed the utility truck over near my property line under one of my neightbors dusk to down light that I got them to shield for me years ago.I went over and asked the workers if that light had stopped working or burnt out or what.  I told them the painted on light shield was not on this new one, and they said the lady told them to remove it!!! So I walked up and knocked on the door.  Both of them came to the door, knowing darn well I would say something but I probably surprised them by figuring it out even before the first night.  She said 'needed' to see all her property.  Mind you this light is midway back on 7.5 acres, and their house is up from, my house is 2/3rds the way back, so I get the 'benifits' of this light right in my bedroom and bathroom.She is so worried that someone is going to go back on their property and says she needs to see, and plus since she is paying $20 a month for these lights, she wants all the light she is paying for.  They also have another one on the opposide side of their lot which bothers the other neighbor but he will not say anything.So I nicely remind them that they agreed to this years ago and will affect my sleeping because it lights up my glass blocks in my mater bath which then lights up my bedroom.  Oh but she is an old lady and has to be able to see.  Although with the shield up it pretty much stopped the light right along the fence on the property line.  I still got some glow from it but it was way less and acceptable.I then say I know you want all the light you are paying for but I am not paying for it and don't want it shining on me.  But I am and old lady......Then her husband says it is getting cold and starts to close the door.  I mumble something like I'm afraid it is going to get alot colder as I walk away.So I visit out local county zoning dept and he reads the ordinance I helped with 5+ years ago.  Yep sure enough it covers dusk to dawn sheilding requirements and light tresspass.  This light was put up before the ordinance he says, but I told him that it was sheilded after the ordinance went into effect so installing a new light was breaking the rule.  He agreed.I watched him send an email to his long time friend who is a board member of the utilty company.  He said give it a couple weeks due to the holiday but we should get it back the way it was.This light does not affect my observatory as my house is in between so blocks it off, but it truely is a pain to have lights in my bedroom which I can not really put a blind up over my glass blocks.Here is a google map,  I tried to show the location of the lights on our property. What do you think?  Anyone else have similar neighbors that move from the city but want to bring their lights with them?

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Manoj Jensen

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Re: Neighbor purposely removed light shield
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2017, 02:58:33 AM »
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So I visit out local county zoning dept and he reads the ordinance I helped with 5+ years ago. Yep sure enough it covers dusk to dawn sheilding requirements and light tresspass. This light was put up before the ordinance he says, but I told him that it was sheilded after the ordinance went into effect so installing a new light was breaking the rule. He agreed.


This puts a different perspective on your light problem.  Hopefully the new one will have to be shielded on your side to prevent it from shining into your bedroom.

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Re: Neighbor purposely removed light shield
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2017, 07:02:39 AM »
I was getting rather angry when reading that. I need to go pet cat or something.

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Re: Neighbor purposely removed light shield
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2018, 05:40:03 AM »
It is just so sad really that these elderly retired people think that they must have everything lit up to feel 'safe.'  We have never had any problems in are subdivison, except for a very occassional person sneaking back to fish the pond.

I think this summer was the big scare for them that may have sparked this, he was trimming back behind the pond and found proof that they had intruders.........a kitchen fork duct taped to a stick   I do remember his call to me about this one day, I sort of laughed but apparently it was not funny to them.

I allow anyone in our neighborhood to come over and fish, just call me first.  I love watching the kids catch bluegill and a large bass.  My neighbor on the otherhand runs off anyone, even those that politely ask, such a scrouge.

The other weekend a hot air balloon, full of nice looking girls I might add, landed in his back yard near the pond.  the chase vehicle stopped out front but before they could even ask him, he was out yelling a the balloon pilot to get that thing out of here.  Somehow they managed to 'hop' that thing next door where half the neighborhood came over to watch and help.  What fun really.

Some people just are so paranoid.  Oh, and he installed these 2 pole lights minutes after the closing and before they even moved in.

So do you feel sorry for people like this?  We have tried for years to be friendly but it doesn't get anywhere. 

Oh well it will be interesting to see what happens when the utility truck comes back out.  He will likely try to run them off too.

I do need to give him some credit though, his entire property is always kept immaculate, so I guess it could be worse in some ways.

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Re: Neighbor purposely removed light shield
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2018, 02:51:01 PM »
We must respect other's way of living; regardless whether we think it's paranoid, selfish, silly, etc.  They probably think the same about us!  You don't know what "may" have happened in their lives previously, to have them react this way.  Even if nothing has happened, it's their property.The light shining in your bedroom is entirely removed from the above, as it disturbs your sleep. Hopefully it will be shielded on your side, to remove the glare, & still let them "see" around their property.

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Re: Neighbor purposely removed light shield
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2018, 06:17:00 AM »
Hi Carol,Yes I am understanding in that others have their own rights, just as I do.  When the original light globe was painted it only dimmed the light part way, but it was enough that they agreed to have it painted and made the effort to listen.  And that olive branch on their part years ago really improved our relationship.So without a word of warning, or a chance to try and convince them to leave it, I suppose that is what got me. Like I said it could be worse in so many other ways.  And at least it does not shine in my observatory, losing sleep is one thing but...........

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Re: Neighbor purposely removed light shield
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2018, 06:50:31 PM »
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It is just so sad really that these  <strong class="bbc">elderly[/b]  retired people

Maybe they won't be there much longer.

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Re: Neighbor purposely removed light shield
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2018, 03:19:18 AM »
All the hunters from the cities that come out to their cabins have to turn on all of their lights at night, inside and outside. I suppose that a cabin full of hunters with shot guns is a pushover target for thieves.

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Re: Neighbor purposely removed light shield
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2018, 11:03:51 PM »
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<p class="citation">QuoteIt is just so sad really that these  <strong class="bbc">elderly[/b]  retired people

Maybe they won't be there much longer. [/quote]
Hi lightshooter and welcome to Cloudy Nights. Perhaps they may not stay but they may have given others the "bright" idea to erect more pole light fixtures.

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Re: Neighbor purposely removed light shield
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2018, 04:48:18 AM »
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<p class="citation">QuoteIt is just so sad really that these  <strong class="bbc">elderly[/b]  retired people

Maybe they won't be there much longer. [/quote]

Whichever way I read this response - its just mean.

I believe the OP did the correct thing in taking his case to the local authorities, who will hopefully aid in resolving the situation.

We tend to forget at times that we  <strong class="bbc">each[/b] have the right to whatever we wish (under the law) on our own property.

Having a telescope does not give anyone the right to assess another person's perception of risk, nor does it mean that we've all signed up to some kind of global light-pollution police brigade.

Regards,

skybsd

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Re: Neighbor purposely removed light shield
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2018, 01:07:53 PM »
people are afraid of there own shadow.

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Re: Neighbor purposely removed light shield
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2018, 12:07:35 AM »
My experience has been that older folks turn off their lights.  I lived in the county with the cheapest electric rates in the nation (currently 2cents a kilowatt hour).  Those that remember the depression turn off their lights.It is the urban refugees moving over from Seattle that leave their lights on all night.  For some reason they feel more secure.  Anyway, motion detector lights and show your neighbors the studies on cancer and nighttime lighting.  That should get them thinking.The other solution is to put a BIG BLUE TARP on your property line.  Make sure it flaps in the wind and they can hear it.

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Re: Neighbor purposely removed light shield
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2018, 05:18:59 AM »
The big tarp is on my list but I hope it does not come to that.And the "I will out live them" was a thought but these two have been here going on 12 years and look pretty good, they may out live me

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Re: Neighbor purposely removed light shield
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2018, 11:19:01 AM »
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We must respect other's way of living;

So if they were burning tyres night and day because it made them feel safe, and because of some bad experience in their past, we should just respect it? Pollution is pollution.

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Re: Neighbor purposely removed light shield
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2018, 04:08:20 AM »
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We must respect other's way of living; regardless whether we think it's paranoid, selfish, silly, etc.

Good!  Then others must respect my way of living too, which involves playing Black Sabbath and Bluegrass music on alternating days at high decibel volume all night to keep the werewolves away from my house.

OH! This thread only deals with nocturnal light trespass, not obnoxiously intrusive nocturnal noise trespass.  Since we're expected to put up with others' paranoid, selfish light trespass but not others' paranoid, selfish noise trespass, I guess that's different then, and my point is off-topic.  Never mind.

Or is it?