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meenchinobun

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not like it used to be
« on: December 23, 2017, 11:06:10 PM »
I never noticed the stars at night in bayridge (brooklyn) ny.  But following the family moved to massapequa,ny in 1952, us kids was able to put on the grass at night watching the skies.  As the years passed the skies at night became invisible.it's funny now that I began complaining about light pollution 40 years before, and people thought I was crazy.  Then in 1966 we moved to upstate ny.  And you may see the stars.  Then it began to evaporate as the years passed.  Then we proceeded to emerald isle,nc in 1993.  And you may see the stars, in case you walked out to the ocean on the beach.  Then it began to disappear again.  They began to put really bright lights on these long sticks and you had a difficult time just seeing where you're walking.  A few times you wonder about folks.  Why do they believe they have to flooding vast areas with these blinding lights.  Now I'm in a subdivision in the woods, and the street lamps are 150 ft apart.  The entire area is lit up !  If I could just get everyone to get into telescopes ?  You cany head out on the fishing piers, they flooding them with bright lights also.



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Re: not like it used to be
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2017, 11:13:06 PM »
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some times you wonder about folks.  Why do they believe they have to flood vast areas with those blinding lights.
Selfishness, ignorance, aping what others do from pack mentality; all these figure to the situation to a level.  But, I think that the overriding reason is fear - fear of the dark and what it might hold.There had been a time in living memory when many folks had light inside, metaphysically speaking, and shadow held no horrors to them.  If one looks around now, it is evident this inner illumination has for the most part faded off; the increase in light pollution is proportional to the population's descent into spiritual darkness.  The inner light having gone out from the souls of most, the enveloping shadow ignites a well-founded dread inside them... that the outcome is an outside, unsuccessful effort, through excessive lighting, to banish the shadows, and more importantly, what lurks inside them.Light pollution is indicative of religious contamination, and a symptom of a sick planet; one wildly out of equilibrium and careening towards destruction.

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Re: not like it used to be
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2017, 09:57:51 PM »
very well said. also very sad.

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Re: not like it used to be
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2017, 10:13:37 AM »
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I think that the overriding reason is fear - fear of the dark and what it might hold.

That's certainly a huge factor. Arguably even more important are safety and convenience. Street lighting makes things much safer for pedestrians, both to avoid stumbling on obstacles and to avoid getting hit by cars. And it greatly reduces certain classes of car accidents -- though it probably slightly increases others.

<p class="citation">QuoteThere was a time within living memory when most people had light within, metaphysically speaking, and darkness held no horrors for them.[/quote]

Yeah, right. So how come "darkness" has been used as a metaphor for ignorance and terror since time immemorial? As in Conrad's "Heart of Darkness."

Fear of darkness is innate in our species -- for good reason. As mammals go, we have exceptionally poor night vision. Together with mediocre hearing and virtually nonexistent sense of smell -- the other senses that most animals rely on at night.

I'm not saying that fear is the only innate reaction to darkness; we also have an innate love of darkness that tends to be suppressed in modern society.

Of course, the modern fear of darkness goes beyond what's innate; it's also conditioned in our society precisely because darkness is so rare. Back before electric lights, people had to get used to darkness whether they liked it or not. Not so now. So now, fear of the unfamiliar (another universal human trait) is a big factor in fear of darkness.

If I had to blame a single factor for light pollution, it would be the automobile, which has alienated us from nature in every conceivable way.

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Re: not like it used to be
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2017, 12:01:58 AM »
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Fear of darkness is innate in our species -- for good reason. As mammals go, we have exceptionally poor night vision. Together with mediocre hearing and virtually nonexistent sense of smell -- the other senses that most animals rely on at night.


Tony:

Good points... Awareness and apprehension, fear is a reasonable emotion and a valuable emotion, it prevents us from doing foolish things.

My inner light allows others to light the night if they feel the need.

Jon

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Re: not like it used to be
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2017, 02:09:15 AM »
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The inner light having gone out in the souls of most, the enveloping darkness ignites a well-founded dread within them...

Why do you think this "dread" is well-founded?

This post mentions the mystic, spirituality, "metaphysics", the "soul", etc. Do your beliefs have a mainstream name?

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Re: not like it used to be
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2018, 09:48:12 PM »
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<p class="citation">QuoteThe inner light having gone out in the souls of most, the enveloping darkness ignites a well-founded dread within them...

Why do you think this "dread" is well-founded?

This post mentions the mystic, spirituality, "metaphysics", the "soul", etc. Do your beliefs have a mainstream name? [/quote]

Better not go there.

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Re: not like it used to be
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2018, 06:24:01 AM »
It's not me going there. I was pointing out the obvious.People put lights on fishing piers:1) to provide light for what they are doing, often with small objects, tying knots in line, or using knives cutting bait2) to attract fish; people drop floating light onto the water's surface to do the same thing.

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Re: not like it used to be
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2018, 01:22:34 PM »
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Better not go there.

Yup.

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Re: not like it used to be
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2018, 06:34:34 PM »
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<p class="citation">QuoteThe inner light having gone out in the souls of most, the enveloping darkness ignites a well-founded dread within them...

Why do you think this "dread" is well-founded?

This post mentions the mystic, spirituality, "metaphysics", the "soul", etc. Do your beliefs have a mainstream name? [/quote]

When it comes to fear and dread, I find it valuable to consider my own and not make presumptions/projections about the inner lives of others. 

Jon

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Re: not like it used to be
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2018, 05:27:42 AM »
I have found this helpful over the years, often when most needed - and I do believe it is most appropriate for cloudynights.com.

The Peace of Wild Things by Wendell Berry (with permission)

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Re: not like it used to be
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2018, 07:00:57 AM »
Yes, a fine poem, one of his best. May we all heed it.I like darkness and solitude and find great peace there.Dark skies.Jack

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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2018, 02:25:47 PM »
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Yes, a fine poem, one of his best. May we all heed it.

I like darkness and solitude and find great peace there.

Dark skies.

Jack

Jack:

When I saw that had posted to this thread... I immediately thought to myself:

In all your trips to the top, you must have spent more than a few clear nights on top of Grand Teton. How glorious would that be? nearly 14,000 feet, looking out over the valley, up to Yellowstone, to the south and to the west... and nothing but bright, bright stars overhead...

Jon

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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2018, 03:20:58 PM »
Jon,Not many nights on top--a few after climbing the Exum Ridge in the moonlight--but over 400 nights at our hut at 11,700 feet. We left for the climb at 4am, and since everyone was huffing and puffing and wanted to rest, there were many chances to point out the stars, some constellations, and rattle on about their stories. When the weather was good, we slept outside. I always had my binoculars, and I can't think of many (some) things better than crashed in a sleeping bag looking at the dark sky. Fond memories of all that!Do you remember the tune:"I see skies of blue, and clouds of whiteThe bright blessed day, the dark sacred nightAnd I think to myself, what a wonderful world."Louis ArmstrongDark skies.Jack

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Re: not like it used to be
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2018, 04:01:28 PM »
"THERE was a time when meadow, grove, and stream,
    The earth, and every common sight,
            To me did seem
    Apparell'd in celestial light,
The glory and the freshness of a dream.       
It is not now as it hath been of yore;—
        Turn wheresoe'er I may,
            By night or day,
The things which I have seen I now can see no more."

Wordsworth got that right, the 'celestial light' emanating from our own galaxy and all the faint fuzzies !
 
And so, ever since Edison demonstrated to and was backed by financiers, including J.P. Morgan and the Vanderbilt family in late 1879, which also included lighting J.P. Morgan's and the few other investor's homes. And that date in 1882 when he threw the switch that engaged the syndicate's six 'Jumbo' dynamos at the Pearl Street power plant, and lit up Broadway...  we started on the long road to bright nights.  And BIG buck$ for all the ensuing corporations that quickly cashed-in on the lighting industry. Although better ways of lighting developed fairly quickly, such as the fluorescent light. Edison invented a fluorescent lamp in 1896 and got a patent in 1907, it was <em class="bbc">not put into production. Hmm.. too efficient?  It would cut into the profits of JP's syndicate. Even the CFL was from the 1940s. But - like right up to today, the dark-age incandescent bulbs, just like from 135 years ago.. STILL pollute the sky. The power of corporate lobbies !

But.. nothing lasts forever. It seems the economics of LED lighting which is mostly quite directional - as in down lighting, will increasingly creep into every city around the planet.

Darker nights are coming !