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unamprodce

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Re: not like it used to be
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2018, 08:46:22 PM »
Lots of black skies in my region. Can't see anyone moving there or the few towns growing very fast. No jobs, little water, far from civilization. Few people going out there as it is a bit of a hassle driving a few hours just to see the stars.Safety wise you are on your own if you happen to encounter a criminal or predator. It is still more dangerous near the populated regions as they have enough light to target their next victims and a higher density of criminals to encounter. As local safety budgets are cut, the criminals are getting bolder due to early releases and lack of patrols or legal consequences.I have lots of wonderful memories of sleeping in my backyard looking up into the sky and seeing lots of stars and the milky way. Now I can only see the brightest stars.I hope the LEDs don't enable the lights to get even brighter because of safety demands and lower energy costs. Even directional lighting will bounce back up off the ground if bright enough and in the bluer spectrum.

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Re: not like it used to be
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2018, 09:03:51 PM »
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I hope the LEDs don't enable the lights to get even brighter because of safety demands and lower energy costs. Even directional lighting will bounce back up off the ground if bright enough and in the bluer spectrum.


That's a sobbering thought.   Darn

Jon

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Re: not like it used to be
« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2018, 05:11:14 AM »
Pogo said it best:  "We have met the enemy, and he is us."

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Re: not like it used to be
« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2018, 07:25:48 AM »
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We each emit CO2 when we exhale. Since the EPA now considers CO2 a pollutant, are all human beings now subject to derogatory terms?

Many of us also emit large quantities of methane, a much more potent greenhouse gas.

Seriously, though ...

Either side of this, taken to its logical extreme, becomes ridiculous. Of course it's reasonable to place restrictions on the amount of light pollution that individuals create, just as it's reasonable to prohibit people from blasting loud rock music out their windows at 3 a.m. Equally obvious, prohibiting all light pollution is neither practical nor morally defensible.

Balance in all things.

Robert Bass

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Re: not like it used to be
« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2018, 10:49:35 AM »
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Equally obvious, prohibiting all light pollution is neither practical nor morally defensible.


One man's irritant is another man's comfort and security.  Prohibiting the use of artificial light is obviously not defensible, but attempting to prohibit light <em class="bbc">pollution (or any other kind of unwanted contamination or intrusion, for that matter) certainly is.  Also indefensible is the failure of or outright refusal of the powers-that-be who have passed reasonable light-pollution ordinances to enforce them.

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Re: not like it used to be
« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2018, 12:35:38 PM »
Tony, I agree, that was exactly my point. We have to balance priorities as individuals and as a society.Hank, I think governments do great harm to their citizens when they have laws and do not enforce them, for whatever reason, on whatever topic. If they can't or won't enforce it, then they should get it off the books. Lee

Tony Patton

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Re: not like it used to be
« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2018, 02:28:18 PM »
Talk about remembering the way it was.  Those of us old enough remember an era before interstate highways, malls, strip malls, businesses open 24/7, businesses open on Sundays. During the week businesses would close in the evening and would only be open half a day on Saturday.  Seems we are paying the price for success and advancement. Yes there are still pristine areas, lets try to save what's still there.  I have been to places where you could read the Wall Street Journal by the light of the milky way.  Currently I  in a yellow/green area which is fine.  I have it better seeing than those city dwellers but still poorer than others.  Remember that this problem has been around a while.  Remember when they built "the perfect machine" the 200 inch they already ruled out Passadena for light pollution from L. A.

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Re: not like it used to be
« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2018, 10:53:05 PM »
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Tony, I agree, that was exactly my point. We have to balance priorities as individuals and as a society.

Hank, I think governments do great harm to their citizens when they have laws and do not enforce them, for whatever reason, on whatever topic. If they can't or won't enforce it, then they should get it off the books.

Lee

They need those laws on the books so they can selectively enforce 'em as they see fit.

Gary Allen

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Re: not like it used to be
« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2018, 01:38:25 AM »
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They need those laws on the books so they can selectively enforce 'em as they see fit.

+1.

Fred