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Robert Porter

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That is quite typical of this PR battle we're facing.  The police officer's remark near the end of the article sums it up.

http://www.thepostat...ssault-lighting



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Re: Ohio University Adding More Light "Because it makes people feel safer".
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2017, 09:10:46 AM »
Sadly, that is the general opinion.   Doesn't "make" them safer, but they "feel" safer.

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Re: Ohio University Adding More Light "Because it makes people feel safer".
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2017, 11:04:28 AM »
It's interesting that this year Ohio University added an on-campus observatory for undergrads:

https://www.ohio.edu...ch/observatory/

Seems a bit incongruous that campus night lights would be increased at the same time an observatory would be added. This is consistent with Spock's famous statement: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." Our issue is that we are the few and our voices will never outweigh those of the many intent on making the night similar to day.

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Re: Ohio University Adding More Light "Because it makes people feel safer".
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2017, 01:32:34 AM »
Oh geez, yeah! A spotlight on you! Ruins your night vision so you can't see criminals hiding in the shadows, but nicely puts a spotlight on you so they can see you and wait for the perfect opportunity. Sounds safe! (If you are totally braindead).
Some people seem to lack the ability to think tactically...

Martin.

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Re: Ohio University Adding More Light "Because it makes people feel safer".
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2017, 07:19:14 AM »
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It's interesting that this year Ohio University added an on-campus observatory for undergrads:

https://www.ohio.edu...ch/observatory/

Seems a bit incongruous that campus night lights would be increased at the same time an observatory would be added. This is consistent with Spock's famous statement: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." Our issue is that we are the few and our voices will never outweigh those of the many intent on making the night similar to day.

These two certainly are incompatible, to say the least!

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Re: Ohio University Adding More Light "Because it makes people feel safer".
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2017, 08:32:30 PM »
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It's interesting that this year Ohio University added an on-campus observatory for undergrads:

https://www.ohio.edu...ch/observatory/

Seems a bit incongruous that campus night lights would be increased at the same time an observatory would be added. This is consistent with Spock's famous statement: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." Our issue is that we are the few and our voices will never outweigh those of the many intent on making the night similar to day.

Nice Sock reference! I use that one a lot because it's so relevant.

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Re: Ohio University Adding More Light "Because it makes people feel safer".
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2018, 06:57:32 PM »
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Oh geez, yeah! A spotlight on you! Ruins your night vision so you can't see criminals hiding in the shadows, but nicely puts a spotlight on you so they can see you and wait for the perfect opportunity. Sounds safe! (If you are totally braindead).
Some people seem to lack the ability to think tactically...

Martin.

It's incumbent on us to try and educate the uninitiated. It may be an impossible task, but you have to win over the majority to have any hope of dealing with this issue. To me, the main risk of increasing the sense of security without really increasing safety is that people will actually put themselves at greater risk by venturing into risky areas or situations they would have otherwise avoided. Kind of like telling someone you fixed their brakes, when you didn't. They are apt to drive faster and crash.

The irony is that if the crime rate actually goes up, it will further increase the pressure to add even more lights.

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Re: Ohio University Adding More Light "Because it makes people feel safer".
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2018, 11:24:47 AM »
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It's interesting that this year Ohio University added an on-campus observatory for undergrads:

https://www.ohio.edu...ch/observatory/

Seems a bit incongruous that campus night lights would be increased at the same time an observatory would be added. This is consistent with Spock's famous statement: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." Our issue is that we are the few and our voices will never outweigh those of the many intent on making the night similar to day.

History-changing revolutions have always begun with a minority. Maybe the Astronomy and Anti-Light Revolution is around the corner. We just need to get together and stash away caches of wire snips and astronomy pamphlets to pass out...
Our battle-cry will be, "No light! And the stars forever!"
Sounds like a plan?

Martin.

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Re: Ohio University Adding More Light "Because it makes people feel safer".
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2018, 01:09:36 PM »
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History-changing revolutions have always begun with a minority. Maybe the Astronomy and Anti-Light Revolution is around the corner. We just need to get together and stash away caches of wire snips and astronomy pamphlets to pass out...
Our battle-cry will be, "No light! And the stars forever!"
Sounds like a plan?

Martin.
I think we need education, not revolution. The City of Fort Collins, where I live, has a city staff member who has been educated in appropriate night lighting - efficient, diffuse downward light at an intensity high enough to illuminate but not high enough to cause glare. She is educating the city and helping them make decisions related to street lights and what she calls "light trespass" - night lighting that extends beyond the boundary of the area to be illuminated. I've contacted the city in the past to modify a street light at the corner where I live. I found them to be quite responsive in balancing the needs of the city in relation to street intersection illumination and the fact that I'd like my backyard to be dark. She also gives lectures in effective and efficient night lighting to groups and schools who request such instruction.

I think more of this type of education is appropriate. Perhaps it is us and our colleagues who should take a more active role in providing such education to those who will listen.

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Re: Ohio University Adding More Light "Because it makes people feel safer".
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2018, 01:48:18 PM »
I was just joking, PFitzHorn. I am sure that education is the best way to go. We astronomers are peaceful folk.
I am happy to see that some legal headway is being made in your town to address the LP issue, and that a city staff member cares about your (and other people's) health and astronomy needs. I hope those you approach are open to being educated on these issues and take to heart your message, giving you no grief in the process.

Best wishes and clear, dark skies,

Martin.

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Re: Ohio University Adding More Light "Because it makes people feel safer".
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2018, 07:52:00 AM »
I hear you Martin!

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Re: Ohio University Adding More Light "Because it makes people feel safer".
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2018, 02:47:10 AM »
At least for now, that university is having to -prioritize- where to put the new lights and is not trying to light up every square inch of ground.

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Re: Ohio University Adding More Light "Because it makes people feel safer".
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2018, 04:51:01 AM »
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History-changing revolutions have always begun with a minority. Maybe the Astronomy and Anti-Light Revolution is around the corner. We just need to get together and stash away caches of wire snips and astronomy pamphlets to pass out...
Our battle-cry will be, "No light! And the stars forever!"
Sounds like a plan?

Martin.
I think we need education, not revolution. The City of Fort Collins, where I live, has a city staff member who has been educated in appropriate night lighting - efficient, diffuse downward light at an intensity high enough to illuminate but not high enough to cause glare. She is educating the city and helping them make decisions related to street lights and what she calls "light trespass" - night lighting that extends beyond the boundary of the area to be illuminated. I've contacted the city in the past to modify a street light at the corner where I live. I found them to be quite responsive in balancing the needs of the city in relation to street intersection illumination and the fact that I'd like my backyard to be dark. She also gives lectures in effective and efficient night lighting to groups and schools who request such instruction.

I think more of this type of education is appropriate. Perhaps it is us and our colleagues who should take a more active role in providing such education to those who will listen.
Can you PM me with this staff members name, please?

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Re: Ohio University Adding More Light "Because it makes people feel safer".
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2018, 12:55:04 PM »
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At least for now, that university is having to -prioritize- where to put the new lights and is not trying to light up every square inch of ground.

The university could mitigate the inevitable light pollution by using well shielded fixtures on short poles instead of a few on tall poles that spray light everywhere. One sees the latter in residential lighting. Homeowners put a floodlight over the garage that is aimed down the driveway, rather than a shielded lamp next to the street, because the fixture is cheaper and they don't have to run a power cable underground.

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Re: Ohio University Adding More Light "Because it makes people feel safer".
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2018, 04:30:29 PM »
Just for what it's worth, Ohio University's new observatory is some distance away from the areas of campus where students would typically be - it's in a quiet research campus and located sort of on a hilltop, shielded by some trees etc from the main light glow of campus about a mile and a half away. Not dark skies by a long shot, but still nice to have. My first ever look through a telescope was through that same refractor when it was up on top of the old engineering building back in about 1980. I hope to get to see, and observe from, the new observatory sometime when I'm back in town!