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Maurice Deuschle

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Re: Second study I've seen. Reduced lighting does NOT increase crime
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2018, 03:09:16 AM »
I live in a fairly low-crime area, but when I installed solar lights they were stolen.

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Re: Second study I've seen. Reduced lighting does NOT increase crime
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2018, 05:10:28 PM »
Some intelligent lighting is required for safely getting around at night, but as far as crime goes, the most dangerous areas in the U.S. are brilliantly lit.
 Marty

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Re: Second study I've seen. Reduced lighting does NOT increase crime
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2018, 11:17:32 PM »
IMO streetlighting is a huge government boondoggle - a scam executed by a partnership between the folks who own the utilities and the govt. (actually the same families pretty much own the govt., don't they?)

The utlilities partnered with local govts. to install streetlights everywhere in the 50's and onward, knowing the electricity bill from the municipalities would be guaranteed profit for decades to come.  Not to mention the usual kickbacks on big contruction projects for the govt.

Here in the Boston area, the famous mobster Whitey Bulger was closely associated with Boston Edison for two decades. When the feds finally took him down, several of his mafia lieutenants actually had day jobs as Boston Edison executives.

It's still going on - down in CT the govt. just installed huge streetlights arrays over the I-84 interstate out in the middle of nowhere! There is no reason for that lighting. It's dozens and dozens of 1500 watt HPS bulbs burning all night in the middle of the woods.

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Re: Second study I've seen. Reduced lighting does NOT increase crime
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2018, 11:47:49 PM »
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Some intelligent lighting is required for safely getting around at night, but as far as crime goes, the most dangerous areas in the U.S. are brilliantly lit.
 Marty


Personally, I would suspect that you are right. However, we use to have a fellow who posted here who was a college campus cop of many years servicewho insisted that increased lighting on his campus led to a lower rape rate.

In any event, convincing "us" is of no value. We need to convince the politicians and the general public that night-time lighting does not reduce crime. They are both convinced that reducing street lighting will lead to more bogy men hiding in the weeds. It has been mentioned in this Forum before that at least one US national "home improvement store" chain at times has claimed that its increased parking lot lighting demonstrates that the chain is "female friendly" - something that they have identified as "a problem". Apparently their surveys show that women want bright parking lots.

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Re: Second study I've seen. Reduced lighting does NOT increase crime
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2018, 03:14:41 AM »
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I live in a fairly low-crime area, but when I installed solar lights they were stolen.

Probably your astronomer neighbors!!!

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Re: Second study I've seen. Reduced lighting does NOT increase crime
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2018, 04:45:30 AM »
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I live in a fairly low-crime area, but when I installed solar lights they were stolen.

Probably your astronomer neighbors!!!
I'd guess it was junior high kids... probably a dare. They were just cheapos lighting a short walkway, nothing that would interfere with a good night of observing.

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Re: Second study I've seen. Reduced lighting does NOT increase crime
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2018, 03:09:31 PM »
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Some intelligent lighting is required for safely getting around at night, but as far as crime goes, the most dangerous areas in the U.S. are brilliantly lit.
 Marty


Personally, I would suspect that you are right. However, we use to have a fellow who posted here who was a college campus cop of many years servicewho insisted that increased lighting on his campus led to a lower rape rate.

In any event, convincing "us" is of no value. We need to convince the politicians and the general public that night-time lighting does not reduce crime. They are both convinced that reducing street lighting will lead to more bogy men hiding in the weeds. It has been mentioned in this Forum before that at least one US national "home improvement store" chain at times has claimed that its increased parking lot lighting demonstrates that the chain is "female friendly" - something that they have identified as "a problem". Apparently their surveys show that women want bright parking lots.
Despite reporting by various activist groups, there IS no "rape epidemic" on college campuses, especially violent out-in-the-open attacks. I would suspect a small variation in the number of attacks could make a significant difference in the "rate." To take it a step further, if the rate went down after increased lighting, that would demonstrate the effectiveness of increased lighting. If the rate went up after increased lighting, then more lighting would be needed.
 But like you say, I'm preaching to the choir.
 Marty

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Re: Second study I've seen. Reduced lighting does NOT increase crime
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2018, 02:23:10 AM »
I stores really want to make their parking lots safer they will install security guards or cameras rather than brighter lights.

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Re: Second study I've seen. Reduced lighting does NOT increase crime
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2018, 01:40:38 PM »
During a 1.5 hour blackout here at night, someone called the police and reported males breaking windows in cars. The only lighting was the moon.

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Re: Second study I've seen. Reduced lighting does NOT increase crime
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2018, 06:39:41 PM »
Are you saying that they did it because the lights were out? Or because they were unable to plug into their entertainment centers?

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Re: Second study I've seen. Reduced lighting does NOT increase crime
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2018, 01:41:24 PM »
<p class="citation">QuoteDuring a 1.5 hour blackout here at night, someone called the police and reported males breaking windows in cars. The only lighting was the moon.[/quote]Is thismeant to imply that when the lights are on no car gets its windows broken - or is it that when the lights are on the rate of window breaking is even higher??

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Re: Second study I've seen. Reduced lighting does NOT increase crime
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2018, 03:42:28 PM »
Our place is totally dark at night. Nobody can find it unless they bring their own light. I suspect that most criminals are as afraid of the dark as anyone else, maybe even moreso.

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Re: Second study I've seen. Reduced lighting does NOT increase crime
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2018, 12:08:30 AM »
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<p class="citation">QuoteDuring a 1.5 hour blackout here at night, someone called the police and reported males breaking windows in cars. The only lighting was the moon.
Is thismeant to imply that when the lights are on no car gets its windows broken - or is it that when the lights are on the rate of window breaking is even higher??[/quote]It seems when the power goes out some criminals think that all of the alarms are out too and the police will be to busy to catch them. Just look at some of the most recent looting. When the criminals think they have a chance they go for it.

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Re: Second study I've seen. Reduced lighting does NOT increase crime
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2018, 06:13:55 AM »
I think that these young males could not sit with their x-boxes and play video games and they were frustrated and angry and decided to break some windows to pass the time and vent their frustration.In spite of the lack of lights someone saw and heard them and called the cops. Lights don't do *&amp;^% for security. Everyone has them and no one pays attention.

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Re: Second study I've seen. Reduced lighting does NOT increase crime
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2018, 07:00:30 AM »
I think it depend on what kind of crime. Just my 2 cents.