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Philip Price

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The moon is actually a form of light pollution....
« on: December 24, 2017, 03:56:19 AM »
Don't get me wrong, I have had some great views of the moon and it is a go to object to show off your scope to newbies.   That's all.   However, the effect wears off after some time and it just becomes a nuisance.   I sooooo hate what would be perfect astronomy nights ruined by that giant flashlight at the skies just washing out entire quadrants of potential objects.   Then, even if you face the other direction, the stray light strikes your night vision and creates eyepiece reflections on top of that.Maybe it is because I am close Cloudchester, NY and we receive so few good nights that it is particularly painful for me to look out and see clear skies, stable viewing, and that **** large moon!   Rant over.



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Re: The moon is actually a form of light pollution....
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2017, 03:09:37 PM »
You think the Moon is bad, how about the Sun?I think we should start a request: blot out sunlight!

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Re: The moon is actually a form of light pollution....
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2017, 10:33:02 AM »
I usually feel the same way as the OP. But then last Sat nite at an outreach session I had a 4-in f/4 refractor set up at 22X. It was stopped down to 60 mm and the near full Moon was centered. Several folks had just come from seeing the Moon at high mag in an 8-in f/12 apo but I still got "wows" and "amazing" comments when they saw the whole disc, nice and crisp.So while I agree the Moon can be a PIA sometimes, it can also be a very entertaining and educational object for those who are not deeply into the hobby.Don't forget the total lunar eclipse tonight!

Mike Partoza

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Re: The moon is actually a form of light pollution....
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2017, 03:36:44 AM »
I have a love/hate relationship with the moon. I will observe it when it is out along with the planets, but I miss my DSO's. I also might catch up on sleep, so it sometimes is a blessing. I won't stay up until 4 looking at Luna, but I will do just that when looking at DSO's.

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Re: The moon is actually a form of light pollution....
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2017, 07:28:21 PM »
No, it's not.<strong class="bbc">Light pollution:[/b] <em class="bbc">brightening of the night sky that inhibits the observation of stars and planets, <strong class="bbc">caused by street lights and other man-made sources.[/b]The Moon is natural.So not to be overly serious about this (ok, so maybe I am), but we need to not look at the Moon this way. The light of a full Moon is ~0.1 lux (this varies quite a bit depending on location, elevation, clarity, etc., but it's a good average). Streetlights produce 30 to 100 times that amount of light. Yes, that kills viewing many deep sky objects - I get that. But if we're going to fight REAL light pollution, saying things like this just gives the "We should light up everything, even more!" that much additional ammunition. "Well, the full Moon is light pollution, so why can't we put up more lights on the ground too!?!"So here's the thing: I have come to the conclusion that the way to fight light pollution is to make it an issue that affects everyone. How does it affect everyone? Well, after air and water, the next thing humans need most is sleep (you could argue shelter and clothing, but just watch the show "Naked and Afraid" and we don't need those things as much as sleep - after 7-10 days of sleep deprivation, humans go crazy). The full Moon does not hurt your ability to sleep - our eyes evolved to sleep under a full Moon - while streetlights, computers, tablets, phones, etc., with their blue-shifted LED screens - inhibit the production of melatonin, the hormone that lets you get a good night's sleep.If we are going to fight TRUE light pollution - unnatural, artificial light that is either intentionally or unintentionally aimed up into the sky - then we need to (please!) stop talking about the Moon as light pollution. We're just shooting ourselves in the foot if we do. Sorry to be a killjoy or so serious about this, but after 6 years of working on this issue and seeing almost NO progress, I am not inclined to let us casually talk about the Moon this way, as it hurts our ability to fight actual light pollution.

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Re: The moon is actually a form of light pollution....
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2017, 12:07:54 AM »
When the moon is out its time to do some imaging - how many ways can you make the moon look cool

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Re: The moon is actually a form of light pollution....
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2017, 11:35:48 AM »
When the moon is spoiling viewing for me, I setup my camera &amp; thoroughly enjoy taking photos of it.  It's also pretty neat to check it out with my scopes!  The other night I was fortunate enough to get a photo of Craters Byrd &amp; Peary, which arn't visible much.

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Re: The moon is actually a form of light pollution....
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2018, 03:30:29 PM »
Technically Moon light is not even Moon light.  It's all reflected Sun light.  The Sun is the original source even with Earth shine.  I've actually been thinking of doing a photo series.  Taking the Astronomy Leagues Lunar 1 and 2 programs and photo shooting all the craters in them.  In both Moon rise and Moon set.  I've done visually the 1 and almost finished the 2 and doing them photographically would be a challenge.William

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Re: The moon is actually a form of light pollution....
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2018, 02:52:06 PM »
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You think the Moon is bad, how about the Sun?

I think we should start a petition: blot out the Sun!

Dang, Tony....you beat me to it!!

John Robertson

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Re: The moon is actually a form of light pollution....
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2018, 09:19:33 PM »
That's what makes horse racing. I'd rather look at the moon than any other object in the sky.

Jeff Ramirez

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Re: The moon is actually a form of light pollution....
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2018, 04:44:15 AM »
Use to bug me, but not anymore. That's what good eyepiece electronics and narrowband filtering are for!But I liked Tony's answer.

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Re: The moon is actually a form of light pollution....
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2018, 03:21:13 AM »
The moon is awesome. Sounds like you need professional help of "that" kind... ....just kidding

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Re: The moon is actually a form of light pollution....
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2018, 05:25:06 AM »
I used to dislike the moon. I finally realized that the two weeks around the full moon is the time I can recover from the lack of sleep from the previous new moon.

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Re: The moon is actually a form of light pollution....
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2018, 01:12:03 PM »
I can handle the Moon, it's the neighbors bright "insecurity" lights and the head lights of cars on the One Way road facing my observing area that bug the heck out of me.Looking into making one of those lean-to tarp blinds like David Fuller on "Eyes-On-The-Sky" demonstrated in one of his more recent videos.

David Varnavas

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Re: The moon is actually a form of light pollution....
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2018, 03:25:05 PM »
Click on  This link; scroll down.  You will find several ideas to make the "blinds" to block light while observing.