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ulatimhan

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Well I did it....approached the neighbors
« on: December 24, 2017, 10:41:17 AM »
Finally approached my spine neighbors that think they need to light it up like fenway park.  They were agreeable to try out some things like lower wattage bulbs, so I called them back to explain thats not the problem, its the fact that the lights glow sideways at me(they are a few nonstandard kind fixure they installed about 10 of them over their backyard).  I explained their lighting throw a shadow  in our living room.  They are in fact in the base of a mountain behind our home, im about three-four tales above them that provides you an idea. .  Not forgetting im about 1/2 an acre away.  Outside at night I could read by their lights.
 I coped with it last winter months and using light colors. .  As the leaves fell this year, my next celebrating, I realized I needed to say anything.  Its downright ridiculous.  That the conversaion had some good points  : "let us determine what we can do over the upcoming few days". .  Whereupon I kept making the point about shining where you require it not to the skies... after some time she said things like "we all need to deal with something. ."  And "cant you include some living room sunglasses?"  .  I clarified then I do astronomy.  They explained they NEED this mild.  I pointed out you need to be able to lightup your property as far as you need without shining it at me , UP a mountain, 1/2 acre away.  They either didnt get it or need to.  I possibly talked too much. .  I could be quite a pita logical person and possibly didnt need to assert so much as they DID say theyd look in to it.  I mentioned the parshield light colors of that I happened to get a few.  She appeared to hear that but im not certain.  I just didnt need them to change to lower wattage as I explained that wasnt the issue exactly.

 This is their location last winter.  I now have a much greater, thicker 6' tall x 16' long canvas tarps ive hung , but walking to get them behind is ridiculous I need to sheild my eyes  blinding.
 
   

So I just went and dropped off the box of two parshield sunglasses at their home with a note to please use them and if they need to obtain some different ones id be pleased to buy them.  BTW I got my sunglasses at starrynightlights.com , and they were pretty expensive for what they were (roughly $50 for two colors delivered!) .  Those neighbors have square lights of some type, not the typical outdoor light.  Any suggestions on where to buy something more affordably?  Also starrynightlights took me literally about a MONTH to have them delivered.  They were really for another neighbor but they eventually took care of it with no requirement of the shields.  I dont know whats happening with that business, it had been my very first experience there.

 Thanks for any suggestions on where to buy, or moral support.  Advise on how to deal effectively with individuals would probably be lost on me.




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Re: Well I did it....approached the neighbors
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2017, 08:12:19 PM »
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"cant you add some living room shades?"

This quote kind of makes me feel like they won't be very cooperative. Whenever I hear/read this sort of sentiment I always imagine myself playing extremely loud music all night long, and if people complained I would say "how about buying some earplugs?". Maybe you could say something like this to your neighbors but in a more polite manner.

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Re: Well I did it....approached the neighbors
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2017, 03:44:06 PM »
sweet. it turns out that they are in clear and full violation of what i just found for our small city:(1) All outdoor lighting shall have full cutoff-type fixtures (See below.) Cutoffs shall shield bulbs from visibility and may consist of internal baffles or reflectors or external panels or other mechanisms.(a) General site lighting shall not exceed 90º, the horizontal plane of bottom of lamp fixture. No uplighting is allowed; parking, security and aesthetic lighting must shine downward.(b) Spotlights used to illuminate buildings, signs or specific site amenities/features shall be targeted on such objects so as to prevent direct uplighting. Cutoffs shall limit lighting to a forty-five-degree angle above the horizontal plane.© Upward search or spotlighting of the sky for entertainment or advertising purposes is prohibited. good to know i have some backup if we cant get something amicable going. thanks for the response!

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Re: Well I did it....approached the neighbors
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2017, 09:00:34 AM »
Uh, truthfully, I wish my back yard was half as dark as yours.....and, unless they take the initiative to install those shades, you're out $50.  It would have been cheaper to just throw together some light screens.  It doesn't sound as if they'll be very cooperative.  On the other hand, maybe order about 10,000 moths from somewhere......

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Re: Well I did it....approached the neighbors
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2018, 06:05:42 AM »
the fact that its darker than your yard is completely irrelevant. i dont mind being out a reasonable amount of $ thats the whole point. i bought those light shields to give away in the first place to make peace. i dont want to cost people money but i dont want to be illuminated. sure you might settle for the darkness of my yard, but if you lived here and saw how ridiculous this was youd probably change your tune , since its a reasonable request not to be lit up like a baseball park with sideways lighting. . and further, now that they know about it, its just rude and ridiculous. and, totally illegal the tarps, hardware and cabling was maybe $100 all told and it works, but they have so much uplighting it lights up the 80' tall trees all around which i cant shield. that affects my viewing as well.. its quite dark around here when those lights are off.

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Re: Well I did it....approached the neighbors
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2018, 08:19:00 AM »
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This quote kind of makes me feel like they won't be very cooperative. Whenever I hear/read this sort of sentiment I always imagine myself playing extremely loud music all night long, and if people complained I would say "how about buying some earplugs?".
I am going to have to remember this argument for sure! Best one I have heard of yet. 
Wasn't there a hot sauce factory that has to install things to mitigate the smell?  If the lawsuit goes through, and the smell must be mitigated, this could be the groundworks for using your own property without trespass of other people's "things", whether it be smell, light, noise, etcetera.

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Re: Well I did it....approached the neighbors
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2018, 03:07:55 AM »
I hate to admit it, but you should have probably offered to install the shields yourself. Yes, they are your neighbor's lights and are infringing on the enjoyment of your property. Clearly you are in the right, legally. However you have to look at it from your neighbor's point of view, as wrong as it is. Clearly you two do not see eye to eye on the issue. To him/her you're going onto their property demanding that they change something which they do not want to change. I think offering to install or paying for the installation of light shields would be a nice "gesture" to them, and it may win them over if you go about it the right way.

I know how you're feeling about this. Your neighbor has illegal lighting and YOU would have to foot the bill for it. But if you want the issue resolved I think this is the quickest and friendliest way to go about it. What would you rather be without? A small amount of time/money to install the shields or a backyard that is impossible for astronomy?

If all else fails you can go through the legal system. You are very fortunate to have a legal basis for your claim. This of course depends on the mechanism of enforcement, if any.

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Re: Well I did it....approached the neighbors
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2018, 07:07:08 PM »
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<p class="citation">QuoteThis quote kind of makes me feel like they won't be very cooperative. Whenever I hear/read this sort of sentiment I always imagine myself playing extremely loud music all night long, and if people complained I would say "how about buying some earplugs?".
I am going to have to remember this argument for sure! Best one I have heard of yet. 
Wasn't there a hot sauce factory that has to install things to mitigate the smell?  If the lawsuit goes through, and the smell must be mitigated, this could be the groundworks for using your own property without trespass of other people's "things", whether it be smell, light, noise, etcetera. [/quote]

You're right. It *is* trespassing. The problem is most people are afraid of the dark from an evolutionary standpoint and see light as GOOD. In most cases extraneous light has effects that aren't readily noticeable to the general public, whereas loud music and offensive smells do.

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Re: Well I did it....approached the neighbors
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2018, 07:35:28 PM »
The first step to a light pollution ordinance is to check local codes on nuisance trespass.Our county includes NOISE, SMELL, SMOKE as trespass items, but not light.  Politically, it should be relatively easy to amend nuisance codes to include light.  After all it is your property.  Thanks god, my neighbors keep their lights off at night.  Now if I can just get the city of Wenatchee to do the same!!

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Re: Well I did it....approached the neighbors
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2018, 08:11:55 PM »
I did offer to pay the full amount of any shades as i said already, so hopefully they will take me up on it! i called the building inspectors office today and explained the situation that i was hoping to resolve myself.. but he did give me the name and address of who to contact via email in their dept. if i have to do that, thats all it will take for a "written" request and they'll check it out. hopefully won't get to that point, probably won't. they also said thud try keeping them off more often which I've noticed right away.. good sign.

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Re: Well I did it....approached the neighbors
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2018, 09:25:03 PM »
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I did offer to pay the full amount of any shades as i said already, so hopefully they will take me up on it!

I'm talking about installation. They may be more inclined to cooperate with you if you either DIY or pay for them to be installed.

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Re: Well I did it....approached the neighbors
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2018, 08:01:47 AM »
right, i can do that no problem too.. next time we talk ill mention that too, its not like we're through. but i have some good news.. theyve been shutting off the lights much more instead of leaving them on all the time.. at least the last two days since i mentioned it. this might be all the solution i need. there were no clouds tonight and the neighborhood was dark! very nice.. their lights came on briefly for motion detect when someone came home but that was no problem. i will have to call and let them know that has been perfectly good, if it can stay this way.

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Re: Well I did it....approached the neighbors
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2018, 09:44:15 PM »
Follow-up by way of thanks for their kind consideration is a good and useful gesture, which should reinforce their good behaviour. You might mention that you're perfectly willing to help out with affixing shields if they would prefer to have those lights on. After all, you're not requesting that they be turned off; you don't wish to cause unnecessary disruption or deprive them of their right to employ reasonable illumination. And an invitation to come over for a look at the Moon or Jupiter could do wonders.

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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2018, 01:41:49 PM »
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Follow-up by way of thanks for their kind consideration is a good and useful gesture, which should reinforce their good behaviour.

+1.

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Re: Well I did it....approached the neighbors
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2018, 04:58:42 AM »
An unexpected and terrific development.

Don't screw it up!