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piatimascomp

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AP Mach 1 or Bisque MyT or Neither?
« on: December 24, 2017, 05:00:09 PM »
Could someone provide some insight or experience regarding which goto bracket is best for my certain needs.

I have a Canon 500mm f4 USM II as my OTA with 5Dmark IV camera.   I have permanent access to a blue/dark green dark site about 2 hours away from my house.  Eventually I can setup and construct a remote observatory there (2-3 years), but for now I shall just setup and go when I could.

I have not ever taken any AP images up to now.   I have just been a visual astronomer.   I have read extensively on the subject, but I don't have any first hand experience hence this post.

I would prefer a bracket that I will not want to replace in the not too distant future, so I listed these 2 high end mounts which should serve my goal years to come, and I prefer to spend more money up front to avoid a huge headache afterwards.

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Roberto Betancourt

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Re: AP Mach 1 or Bisque MyT or Neither?
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2017, 12:59:20 AM »
Either will serve you well.

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Re: AP Mach 1 or Bisque MyT or Neither?
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2017, 09:21:13 PM »
One other thing to consider is a really inexpensive used mount like the Orion Atlas EQ-G. I can learn guiding and hopefully take some amazing images. Would the cheaper mounts have star trails at 500-700mm with 1-3 minute subs while guiding.

I am an image perfectionist, so substandard photographs will not make me happy. I worry if I go cheap then that might be money wasted because I will be too picky about the photographs and want to upgrade right away.

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I also really like the Avalon M-Zero or the bigger M-UNO. Bigger is better if I one day go automated. The M-zero is better if I just stay mobile with my setup. I doubt I will ever outgrow the Canon 500mm F/4 and I know the M-zero will support that quite well.

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Re: AP Mach 1 or Bisque MyT or Neither?
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2018, 02:08:25 AM »
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I also really like the Avalon M-Zero or the bigger M-UNO. Bigger is better if I one day go automated. The M-zero is better if I just stay mobile with my setup. I doubt I will ever outgrow the Canon 500mm F/4
Famous last words!and I know the M-zero will support that quite well.

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Re: AP Mach 1 or Bisque MyT or Neither?
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2018, 09:21:38 PM »
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One other thing to consider is a really inexpensive used mount like the Orion Atlas EQ-G. I can learn guiding and hopefully take some amazing images. Would the cheaper mounts have star trails at 500-700mm with 1-3 minute subs while guiding.

I am an image perfectionist, so substandard photographs will not make me happy. I worry if I go cheap then that might be money wasted because I will be too picky about the photographs and want to upgrade right away.

Thanks

I also really like the Avalon M-Zero or the bigger M-UNO. Bigger is better if I one day go automated. The M-zero is better if I just stay mobile with my setup. I doubt I will ever outgrow the Canon 500mm F/4 and I know the M-zero will support that quite well.

Thanks

Yeah, you'll outgrow it, the first time you try to image smaller galaxies or planetaries.

However I see nothing wrong with getting an Atlas class (I would actually opt for a Losmandy GM-8 for a bit more as it's much more portable) mount. You should not have trailing at all with 1-3 minute subs when guiding. Even my old CG-5 can produce round stars at 3-5 mins when guided.

When you *do* get a permanent setup you should evaluate your requirements *then* (they will be different than now, trust me!) and buy the appropriate premium mount.

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Re: AP Mach 1 or Bisque MyT or Neither?
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2018, 07:25:37 AM »
Those are great mounts, but one thing to consider is if you really need them. The shorter your focal length the lower your tolerance requirements for tracking and polar alignment. Of course those need to be balanced with exposure time.

There is a mathematical relationship between all of them. For example, you can calculate your polar alignment tolerance if you are shooting 125mm for 5m subs.

You may want to look at a Losmandy G-11. They are work horses and will last for decades - you can find many 15+ year old ones still in service. My personal preference is for the new Explore Scientific version - I like the wireless controller and the fact that it is open source. Also, it costs a lot less than an AP or MyT.

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Re: AP Mach 1 or Bisque MyT or Neither?
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2018, 09:38:47 AM »
You can start with a less expensive mount but you will likely go to a more expensive one eventually. If you are going to do remote unattended imaging then the MyT is the better option since it has better out of the box automation capabilities. If you are not then both mounts are fantastic and will serve you very well.

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Re: AP Mach 1 or Bisque MyT or Neither?
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2018, 05:45:57 AM »
Thanks for the input. Everyone, I really think I will go to the MyT.  I have 2 people who know a lot more than me who really recommend it. Especially since I plan to do remote setup eventually.

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Re: AP Mach 1 or Bisque MyT or Neither?
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2018, 11:48:29 AM »
I don't know if this is a consideration in the MyT vs Mach1 decision, but Bisque provides a limited 2yr mechanical and 1yr electrical warranty on defects with the MyT from the delivery date. For AP mounts, I don't see any info on a written warranty, but when I've called AP to ask about repairs on defects in AP mounts, I have been told that if they believe a mount has a defect that is not the result of user abuse, they will usually repair it at their expense, even if it is a used mount made several years ago. I don't own an AP mount and so I have no first hand experience here. Curious to hear if I have this apparently very generous policy right?

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Re: AP Mach 1 or Bisque MyT or Neither?
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2018, 04:20:06 AM »
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I am an image perfectionist, so substandard photographs will not make me happy.

If you want results that will please the perfectionist in you then... you should buy an OTA and mono camera that has been designed specifically for imaging the heavens.

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Re: AP Mach 1 or Bisque MyT or Neither?
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2018, 05:45:52 AM »
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I am an image perfectionist, so substandard photographs will not make me happy.

If you want results that will please the perfectionist in you then... you should buy an OTA and mono camera that has been designed specifically for imaging the heavens.
I am not convinced that the IQ of the Canon 500 f4 Mark II or 600 f4 Mark II is below that of a dedicated refractor OTA (based on extensive internet research, not personal experience). I do agree that a dedicated Mono cooled camera is my next purchase.

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Re: AP Mach 1 or Bisque MyT or Neither?
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2018, 11:30:31 PM »
Yikes, that's a $9000 lens! Better put that on a sturdy mount indeed. The Avalon mounts are fine indeed, but if you are truly interested in remote, unattended imaging and are considering sizing up the OTA, then I would agree the MyT is probably the best option of those you have mentioned, with dedicated homing sensors and all.

Derek

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Re: AP Mach 1 or Bisque MyT or Neither?
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2018, 11:37:36 PM »
I agree!  With some other excellent advice I have decided on the MyT. It's still movable until I set up permanently and it's heavy duty enough to grow my system with it.

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Re: AP Mach 1 or Bisque MyT or Neither?
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2018, 12:13:27 AM »
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I don't know if this is a consideration in the MyT vs Mach1 decision, but Bisque provides a limited 2yr mechanical and 1yr electrical warranty on defects with the MyT from the delivery date. For AP mounts, I don't see any info on a written warranty, but when I've called AP to ask about repairs on defects in AP mounts, I have been told that if they believe a mount has a defect that is not the result of user abuse, they will usually repair it at their expense, even if it is a used mount made several years ago. I don't own an AP mount and so I have no first hand experience here. Curious to hear if I have this apparently very generous policy right?

I have a Mach1GTO from early 2010. I haven't needed warranty service. But, yes, it's my understanding that what you've said here is essentially correct.

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Re: AP Mach 1 or Bisque MyT or Neither?
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2018, 05:44:39 AM »
In the past I had several mass produced mounts and these can provide quite satisfying results, but require babysitting during imaging session and regular tweaking to get the most out of them. Most of the images on my astrobin page have been taken with HEQ5 and AZEQ6 and 570mm FL: http://www.astrobin....users/Slawomir/

I have been a very happy owner of Mach1 for about a year and improvements in tracking, guiding, pointing and overall rigidity are very noticable. To my knowledge Mach1 with APCC would be quite adequate for remote imaging, but if there are more people out there using MYT for remote imaging, then perhaps this is an indication which one of the two is more suitable or easier to set up for remote operation.