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David Reynolds

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Re: AP Mach 1 or Bisque MyT or Neither?
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2018, 09:19:49 AM »
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In the past I had several mass produced mounts and these can provide quite satisfying results, but require babysitting during imaging session and regular tweaking to get the most out of them. Most of the images on my astrobin page have been taken with HEQ5 and AZEQ6 and 570mm FL: http://www.astrobin....users/Slawomir/

Amazing Astrobin images. Well done.

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Re: AP Mach 1 or Bisque MyT or Neither?
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2018, 04:16:49 PM »
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I don't know if this is a consideration in the MyT vs Mach1 decision, but Bisque provides a limited 2yr mechanical and 1yr electrical warranty on defects with the MyT from the delivery date. For AP mounts, I don't see any info on a written warranty, but when I've called AP to ask about repairs on defects in AP mounts, I have been told that if they believe a mount has a defect that is not the result of user abuse, they will usually repair it at their expense, even if it is a used mount made several years ago. I don't own an AP mount and so I have no first hand experience here. Curious to hear if I have this apparently very generous policy right?

I have a Mach1GTO from early 2010. I haven't needed warranty service. But, yes, it's my understanding that what you've said here is essentially correct.
I have a AP mount from 1998. I haven't needed waranty service as well...

I mean: these storys which aren't fairytales,tells a lot about Astro-Physics...

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Re: AP Mach 1 or Bisque MyT or Neither?
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2018, 08:42:54 AM »
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Could someone provide some insight or expertise regarding which goto mount is best for my certain needs.

I have a Canon 500mm f4 USM II as my OTA with 5Dmark IV camera.  I have permanent access to a blue/dark green dark site about 2 hours away from my house. Eventually I can setup and build a remote observatory there (2-3 years), but for now I will just setup and go when I can.

I have never taken any AP images to date.  I have only been a visual astronomer.  I have read extensively on the subject, but I have no first hand experience hence this post.

I would like a mount that I will not want to replace in the near future, therefore I listed these 2 high end mounts that should serve my purpose years to come, and I prefer to spend more money up front to avoid a big headache later.

Thanks


If you really need a mount in this class for your short f/l setup, I'd choose the A-P simply because it is simpler to set up and get running in portable fashion.

My suggestion? Start out with a much less expensive mount and see if this is what you want to do. For your setup even a Celestron VX or Exos 2 or Orion/SkyWatcher Sirius/HEQ5 will work very well. An AP or Bisque is way overkill.

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Re: AP Mach 1 or Bisque MyT or Neither?
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2018, 12:32:11 AM »
Hi Rod,

There is a concerted effort towards simplification in the Software Bisque approach to portable imaging with the LTI interface, Raspberry Pi and "coming soon" automation front-end with Orchestrate. So far it's coming together nicely and is looking like a great way to get up and running quickly while maintaining the comprehensive abilities that the TheSkyX and add on packages offer for more advanced imaging tasks when one would like to expose those elements. If you haven't been playing along at home it's pretty interesting to see how things are developing with the approaches Software Bisque and Astro-Physics over the last year.

While I somewhat agree that a lower tier mount may be suitable for dipping a toe in the water there's something to be said for "buy once, cry once" too.

Clear skies,
Bill

Rodney Slater

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Re: AP Mach 1 or Bisque MyT or Neither?
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2018, 02:23:18 PM »
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One other thing to consider is a really inexpensive used mount like the Orion Atlas EQ-G. I can learn guiding and hopefully take some amazing images. Would the cheaper mounts have star trails at 500-700mm with 1-3 minute subs while guiding.

I am an image perfectionist, so substandard photographs will not make me happy. I worry if I go cheap then that might be money wasted because I will be too picky about the photographs and want to upgrade right away.

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I also really like the Avalon M-Zero or the bigger M-UNO. Bigger is better if I one day go automated. The M-zero is better if I just stay mobile with my setup. I doubt I will ever outgrow the Canon 500mm F/4 and I know the M-zero will support that quite well.

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Yeah, you'll outgrow it, the first time you try to image smaller galaxies or planetaries.

However I see nothing wrong with getting an Atlas class (I would actually opt for a Losmandy GM-8 for a bit more as it's much more portable) mount. You should not have trailing at all with 1-3 minute subs when guiding. Even my old CG-5 can produce round stars at 3-5 mins when guided.

When you *do* get a permanent setup you should evaluate your requirements *then* (they will be different than now, trust me!) and buy the appropriate premium mount.
I have an Atlas. Been using it for ~7 years. It has been a good mount for me to learn things on. I have primarily imaged solar system and BRIGHT DSO's unguided. I can get what I consider nice images( I am NOT an image perfectionist), of things like Orion's nebula with a LOT of 60-90 second exposures and tossing out the bad ones. They are far from perfect, but good enough for me to learn about using the cameras, aligning the scopes, and processing the images.  I have recently begun dabbling with guiding. The mount has been enough to keep me occupied and happy for about 7 years or so.

That said, I have come to the point where I think I understand things well enough, and have convinced myself that I enjoy doing this enough to warrant upgrading the mount to something a bit better. That route worked fine for me. I got my money's worth out of the EQ6(which I will still use). If you have the cash and are confident in your interest in the imaging, going directly for the gold will likely not disappoint you;-) However, if you want to take your time, and cash flow is an issue, then you will not suffer taking the longer route either. Up to you and your circumstances.

Hope this helps!

JMD

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Re: AP Mach 1 or Bisque MyT or Neither?
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2018, 04:58:51 AM »
If you still plan to do a lot of visual astronomy as well the MyT can be controlled with an iPad or Android device fresh out of the box without any additional accessories. Pretty cool if you ask me

http://www.bisque.co...al-Edition.aspx

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Re: AP Mach 1 or Bisque MyT or Neither?
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2018, 11:55:40 AM »
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Hi Rod,

There is a concerted effort towards simplification in the Software Bisque approach to portable imaging with the LTI interface, Raspberry Pi and "coming soon" automation front-end with Orchestrate. So far it's coming together nicely and is looking like a great way to get up and running quickly while maintaining the comprehensive abilities that the TheSkyX and add on packages offer for more advanced imaging tasks when one would like to expose those elements. If you haven't been playing along at home it's pretty interesting to see how things are developing with the approaches Software Bisque and Astro-Physics over the last year.

While I somewhat agree that a lower tier mount may be suitable for dipping a toe in the water there's something to be said for "buy once, cry once" too.

Clear skies,
Bill


I'm sure it would still have me scratching my head, but that doesn't mean anything.

Otherwise? Unfortunately, most people (yes, I'm sorry to say) soon discover astrophotography isn't for them: "My skies aren't good enough. Neither is my weather. I don't have enough spare time. Too complicated. I thought a hobby was supposed to be relaxing."

An inexpensive mount doesn't tie up thousands of dollars, and can still be fun and portable and useful visually.

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Re: AP Mach 1 or Bisque MyT or Neither?
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2018, 11:17:40 AM »
If you have the funds, get the premium mount. Don't do like I did and lose a thousand dollars or more on stuff that won't work well. You can sell a premium mount easily with little loss.

The Bisque learning curve is greatly overstated. Bisque is moving into the future with lots of innovation.

For advice on a Paramount mount - get it from an actual owner.

I have had three, and never had a problem with Bisque or their support. I have found them a pleasure to deal with.

I would probably never guide if I had a CMOS camera as I can easily with no real setup do 3-5 minute exposures.

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Re: AP Mach 1 or Bisque MyT or Neither?
« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2018, 08:17:09 AM »
I've been imaging with a MyT for over two years now and cannot say enough good things about it. I have issues with seeing, focus, and temperature stabilization... but NEVER with the mount. Its extremely reliable and robust. I've had it on an 8,800ft mountain in 20-degree weather and in the 105-degree Mojave desert and it always performs for me. I really like using the Sky X pro for my software and have only recently added automation with CCDAutopilot (which currently is **** at Win 10... but I digress).

You will never want for another mount... unless your payload needs require it.

Check out my Astrobin pics in my signature.