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Henry Edward

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Do I need APCC?
« on: December 27, 2017, 11:13:59 AM »
I just bought a brand-new Mach1-GTO, *without* the handcontrol (I will be only imaging with this mount). It arrives tomorrow... Currently I use SGP for imaging, and I expect that I'll be able to control the Mach1 using ASCOM and SGP (with PhD2 for guiding).

The Mach1 comes with a 30-day offer for a 30% discount on APCC. Normally I'd say "what the heck, I just spent a mini-fortune, what's another $350"--but in looking at the description of the software it mainly offers convenient ways to prevent crashing your mount and ways to software-park, plus interface to some other applications (like Rapas and PEMPro) that I currently don't have and don't plan to acquire.

So should I spend the money? What will it give me that SGP will not? And PEMPro, which I would normally be interested in, appears to require Maxim DL or the discontinued CCDSoft. Not going to be using Maxim or CCDSoft--that's definite.

Incidentally, any opinion on any other software I should be using with this mount would be quite welcome.



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Re: Do I need APCC?
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2017, 12:53:01 PM »
Do you have a permanent pier for it? An observatory or at least a telegizmos 365?

I see people usinghttp://eq-mod.source...t/eqaindex.html (forget the EQMod it does not appear to be written for AP mounts)

I don't have APCC

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Re: Do I need APCC?
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2018, 05:48:54 PM »
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Do you have a permanent pier for it? An observatory or at least a telegizmos 365?

I see people usinghttp://eq-mod.source...t/eqaindex.html (forget the EQMod it does not appear to be written for AP mounts)

I don't have APCC

No, I will be mobile for the foreseeable future with no observatory. I don't quite see the relationship between the Telegizmos cover and software... ? EQMod is for Skywatcher mounts I believe.

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Re: Do I need APCC?
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2018, 11:26:12 PM »
If it's for automated operation, then I don't really need it. I wonder if "Horizons" is good enough reason to get it--accurately tracking asteroids etc. might come in handy someday. The basic version for $175 sounds like a pretty decent deal as overpriced astro stuff goes...

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Re: Do I need APCC?
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2018, 02:30:29 PM »
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I just bought a brand-new Mach1-GTO, *without* the handcontrol (I will be only imaging with this mount). It arrives tomorrow... Currently I use SGP for imaging, and I expect that I'll be able to control the Mach1 using ASCOM and SGP (with PhD2 for guiding).

The Mach1 comes with a 30-day offer for a 30% discount on APCC. Normally I'd say "what the heck, I just spent a mini-fortune, what's another $350"--but in looking at the description of the software it mainly offers convenient ways to prevent crashing your mount and ways to software-park, plus interface to some other applications (like Rapas and PEMPro) that I currently don't have and don't plan to acquire.

So should I spend the money? What will it give me that SGP will not? And PEMPro, which I would normally be interested in, appears to require Maxim DL or the discontinued CCDSoft. Not going to be using Maxim or CCDSoft--that's definite.

Incidentally, any opinion on any other software I should be using with this mount would be quite welcome.

Grab APCC. I use the Pro vesrsion on my Mach1, AP900 and AP1600. It works really nice with SGP. It's great for integrating various software products together. Virtual serial port capabilities. You should be able to download the manual for the base and the Pro versions. Might help with your decision. Your going to be using a computer if not using the handcontroller and it's got some great features.
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Re: Do I need APCC?
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2018, 11:50:36 PM »
APCC won't be required for portable imaging but it is a really nice, cool program. Horizons is capable of tracking asteroids, comets and satellites. If your passion is tracking and/or imaging asteroids, comets or satellites then APCC with Horizons would be very high on my priority list.

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Re: Do I need APCC?
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2018, 01:56:10 AM »
No input on APCC, Stelios - I'm just excited that you finally got your mount! I know that it will serve you well.

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Re: Do I need APCC?
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2018, 12:08:38 PM »
Stelios
I use my AP1100 in an observatory and do not use APCC. I am sure it is a wonderful program but for me, I do not see a need. I see you have a Polemaster, did you also purchase a RAPAS with your Mach1? Just curious. If you do not have one, get a good level so you can make sure your Mach1 is "perfectly" in one of the predefined parking positions when you power it on. That way when you unpark it with Ray's ASCOM panel from whatever position you parked at and slew to a spot to use SGP's plate solving the mount will know exactly where it is pointing. It also helps if something goes awry and you need to move the mount back to a predefined park position.
Have fun unpacking your new mount and setting it up. You are in for a treat.

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Re: Do I need APCC?
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2018, 08:42:04 AM »
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No input on APCC, Stelios - I'm just excited that you finally got your mount! I know that it will serve you well.

Thank you! I got it, it's beautiful--and very complex. Now waiting for the tripod-- (I ordered an Avalon T-110 which is a couple of weeks behind) and taking my time studying everything. Probably will get a Storm 2700 case for it.

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Re: Do I need APCC?
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2018, 09:20:39 PM »
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Stelios
I use my AP1100 in an observatory and do not use APCC. I am sure it is a wonderful program but for me, I do not see a need. I see you have a Polemaster, did you also purchase a RAPAS with your Mach1? Just curious. If you do not have one, get a good level so you can make sure your Mach1 is "perfectly" in one of the predefined parking positions when you power it on. That way when you unpark it with Ray's ASCOM panel from whatever position you parked at and slew to a spot to use SGP's plate solving the mount will know exactly where it is pointing. It also helps if something goes awry and you need to move the mount back to a predefined park position.
Have fun unpacking your new mount and setting it up. You are in for a treat.

I'm still trying to figure exactly what I would do with APCC, as the ASCOM driver appears to be doing most of what I want. To answer Christopher, no, it's not a passion imaging comets, asteroids, etc.--but I'm sure I'd like to try it at some point.

I didn't purchase a RAPAS. I got a Polemaster adapter from ADM to mount it on the bottom of the dovetail. The Mach1 now ships with a level built in (and I'm sure AP has made it *really* level, not like the CG-5 bubble).

What I do want to use is PEMPro, but (and perhaps I should start a separate thread) I'm not sure if I *need* APCC to access that, if I need the pro version assuming I need it, and also I'm not sure if PEMPro will work with my cameras natively--I don't plan to buy Maxim or CCDSoft. I guess I'm in the famous confusion stage

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Re: Do I need APCC?
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2018, 09:56:20 AM »
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APCC and PEMPro are separate; no need for one to run the other. PEMPro should have come included with your new mount. It's great and will reduce any residual PE to a minimum. I have an 1100GTO and use APCC for imaging inside an observatory although my mount (and a previous 900GTO) were mobile before. APCC is great for making the most of meridian delays in the AP mounts.
Enjoy!
Roberto

PEMPro comes free with the "big" AP mounts (1100,1600,3600) but *not* with the Mach1 . Still, I'll probably end up buying it especially since version 3.0 (upcoming for some time now...) sounds quite promising. Still debating APCC, and also whether (if I buy it) the Pro version is worth it for me.

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Re: Do I need APCC?
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2018, 04:14:23 PM »
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I just bought a brand-new Mach1-GTO, *without* the handcontrol (I will be only imaging with this mount). It arrives tomorrow... Currently I use SGP for imaging, and I expect that I'll be able to control the Mach1 using ASCOM and SGP (with PhD2 for guiding).

The Mach1 comes with a 30-day offer for a 30% discount on APCC. Normally I'd say "what the heck, I just spent a mini-fortune, what's another $350"--but in looking at the description of the software it mainly offers convenient ways to prevent crashing your mount and ways to software-park, plus interface to some other applications (like Rapas and PEMPro) that I currently don't have and don't plan to acquire.

So should I spend the money? What will it give me that SGP will not? And PEMPro, which I would normally be interested in, appears to require Maxim DL or the discontinued CCDSoft. Not going to be using Maxim or CCDSoft--that's definite.

Incidentally, any opinion on any other software I should be using with this mount would be quite welcome.


MAYBE. The pro version gives you modeling, which will improve gotos with longer focal length scopes that might have some cone error.

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Re: Do I need APCC?
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2018, 02:22:27 AM »
Uncle Rod said:

>>> MAYBE. The pro version gives you modeling, which will improve gotos with longer focal length scopes that might have some cone error.Hmmm. GoTo's are kind of irrelevant with plate-solving. I'm not going to be using this mount for visual. So it sounds like the pro is not needed. Or that I need to research more what else modeling might do for me...

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Re: Do I need APCC?
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2018, 02:01:35 AM »
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APCC and PEMPro are separate; no need for one to run the other. PEMPro should have come included with your new mount. It's great and will reduce any residual PE to a minimum. I have an 1100GTO and use APCC for imaging inside an observatory although my mount (and a previous 900GTO) were mobile before. APCC is great for making the most of meridian delays in the AP mounts.
Enjoy!
Roberto

PEMPro comes free with the "big" AP mounts (1100,1600,3600) but *not* with the Mach1 . Still, I'll probably end up buying it especially since version 3.0 (upcoming for some time now...) sounds quite promising. Still debating APCC, and also whether (if I buy it) the Pro version is worth it for me.
PemPro v3 is in beta currently. If you have it installed APCC adds a button to launch it on the main screen.

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Re: Do I need APCC?
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2018, 11:18:34 AM »
I purchased APCC. Then I uninstalled it from my computer. That should tell you something.

Maybe the software has great functionality, but it also has one of the worst user interfaces I've ever seen. I got tired of flashing windows and error messages. (Reminds me of the scene in Apollo 13 when every light on the panel starts flashing error messages.) Just way, way too complicated. Never could completely figure out the virtual port. Worked OK when it worked but if something went wrong... After spending 30 minutes one evening trying to debug a problem I just uninstalled it and went back the standard A-P Ascom Driver V2 interface.

Maybe some day I'll try again. Not sure.

I run my AP1100 with TSX and SGPro. Works great. What I find really nifty is I plug my phone via SkyWire into the other serial port on the CP3 and use it as a hand controller via Sky Safari V Pro. Allows me to nudge the scope around while standing at the eyepiece, finder scope, or at my computer station.

MJB