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Keith Dixon

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new vs used? thoughts?
« on: December 30, 2017, 12:30:38 AM »
I'm about ready to pony up $1600 for a mount (looking at the Skywatcher EQ6-R). But was wondering what thoughts on used mounts were. I've seen a Celestron CGE (discountinued in 2010) for $1400 and a 20 year old Losmandy G11 for $1000, both look to be in nice shape thought the G11 isn't goto. So thoughts? Less payload with a warranty or more payload with a gamble?



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Re: new vs used? thoughts?
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2017, 06:50:00 PM »
What scope?

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Re: new vs used? thoughts?
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2018, 12:30:19 PM »
My LOSMANDY MOUNT is Awesome.
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Re: new vs used? thoughts?
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2018, 01:30:09 AM »
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What scope?
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I have two reflectors (8 inch and 5 inch) and two refractors  (60mm and 80mm). the 8 inches being the heaviest at 20lbs.

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Re: new vs used? thoughts?
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2018, 05:26:25 AM »
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I'm about ready to pony up $1600 for a mount (looking at the Skywatcher EQ6-R). But was wondering what thoughts on used mounts were. I've seen a Celestron CGE (discountinued in 2010) for $1400 and a 20 year old Losmandy G11 for $1000, both look to be in nice shape thought the G11 isn't goto. So thoughts? Less payload with a warranty or more payload with a gamble?

Go with the Losmandy. Losmandy sells the Gemini 2 system that will work on ANY Losmandy which you can retrofit at any time.

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Re: new vs used? thoughts?
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2018, 08:39:08 AM »
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I'm about ready to pony up $1600 for a mount (looking at the Skywatcher EQ6-R). But was wondering what thoughts on used mounts were. I've seen a Celestron CGE (discountinued in 2010) for $1400 and a 20 year old Losmandy G11 for $1000, both look to be in nice shape thought the G11 isn't goto. So thoughts? Less payload with a warranty or more payload with a gamble?

I can only answer this for myself, ymmv. I would not buy a used Chinese mount. Been there, done that. I could be tempted to buy a used Losmandy if it had the latest Gemini goto and was in excellent condition. I don't like buying other peoples problems and I'm past the age where I want to fiddle.

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Re: new vs used? thoughts?
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2018, 12:19:05 AM »
Sooner or later parts won't be available for the CGE. You can always update/grade the Losmandy

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Re: new vs used? thoughts?
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2018, 05:05:50 PM »
If you add a Gemini goto your going to be paying $1600. Your probably also going to want to do a bunch of upgrades too. So the G11 is now $2600 plus realistically. Nostalgia is nice but with a $2600 you can get a brand new CEM60 and have money left over.

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Re: new vs used? thoughts?
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2018, 08:13:38 AM »
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If you add a Gemini goto your going to be paying $1600. Your probably also going to want to do a bunch of upgrades too. So the G11 is now $2600 plus realistically. Nostalgia is nice but with a $2600 you can get a brand new CEM60 and have money left over.

Phil is correct, however from time to time used Gemini 1 systems show up for sale. I saw one very recently for about $250. It's basically the same as the Gemini 2 except the Gemini 2 is more graphics oriented.

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Re: new vs used? thoughts?
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2018, 11:58:57 AM »
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If you add a Gemini goto your going to be paying $1600. Your probably also going to want to do a bunch of upgrades too. So the G11 is now $2600 plus realistically. Nostalgia is nice but with a $2600 you can get a brand new CEM60 and have money left over.

Phil is correct, however from time to time used Gemini 1 systems show up for sale. I saw one very recently for about $250. It's basically the same as the Gemini 2 except the Gemini 2 is more graphics oriented.
Plus, if you buy used you would have a mount you could use from day one, then upgrade as finances allow.

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Re: new vs used? thoughts?
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2018, 05:10:05 AM »
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If you add a Gemini goto your going to be paying $1600. Your probably also going to want to do a bunch of upgrades too. So the G11 is now $2600 plus realistically. Nostalgia is nice but with a $2600 you can get a brand new CEM60 and have money left over.


The assumption is that one wants the goto feature. Not everyone does..

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Re: new vs used? thoughts?
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2018, 02:23:28 PM »
Personally I would only buy used if I could use the system as is, or had already calculated the full cost of all upgrades and the purchase still made sense. For example, in AP mounts, a new Mach1 with the CP4 box, rotating base, no need for handset, etc., is a superior deal (IMO) to an older "fully equipped" Mach1 that sells for about the same price. However a used AP900 + CP3 can be used as is for a significant cost savings over a new AP1100 (although the latter is, of course, superior).

The usual fear when buying used is getting someone else's problems. With older mounts that's not often the case--the guy *kept* the mount, so it was probably a good one. With recently purchased mounts being sold, I would have to really know the seller.

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Re: new vs used? thoughts?
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2018, 04:52:55 PM »
Answering the OP's general question...

If you are familiar with the equipment and comfortable that you can troubleshoot and make repairs if necessary, then it's reasonable to buy used. There are some great deals to be had where someone is selling a mount because of some fairly simple problem that they can't get past. On the other hand, if you are not able to recognize the causes of a problem and make fixes, then you may be the one with a problem that you can't get past.

If you can buy a used mount in person, and the seller is willing to work with you on a night under the stars with it, then it's reasonable to buy used. Make sure that you see the mount do everything that you want it to do.

If neither of the above applies to you, then you are far better off buying new with a warranty.

Just my two cents,
-Wade

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Re: new vs used? thoughts?
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2018, 10:27:46 AM »
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I'm about ready to pony up $1600 for a mount (looking at the Skywatcher EQ6-R). But was wondering what thoughts on used mounts were. I've seen a Celestron CGE (discountinued in 2010) for $1400 and a 20 year old Losmandy G11 for $1000, both look to be in nice shape thought the G11 isn't goto. So thoughts? Less payload with a warranty or more payload with a gamble?

The new eq R will likely keep you happy for a long time, especially if you plan mostly visual. Been using my atlas for a decade and going strong! If goto is not important to you, 1000dollars is a great deal. I bought my mid 90s gm8 used and it is great. There really is not much to wear out on one of those, and they are really easy to maintain/fix.

Hope this helps

jmd

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Re: new vs used? thoughts?
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2018, 11:56:18 AM »
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If you add a Gemini goto your going to be paying $1600. Your probably also going to want to do a bunch of upgrades too. So the G11 is now $2600 plus realistically. Nostalgia is nice but with a $2600 you can get a brand new CEM60 and have money left over.


The assumption is that one wants the goto feature. Not everyone does..

Jon
I see goto as a "nice to have", but not a need. I can navigate the stars pretty well.

Question.... Would hooking the G11 up to Solarium or something similar basically be adding an external goto or is it just npt accurate given the motors?