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birchzufhyro

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What the best sub 1000 alt-az goto
« on: December 29, 2017, 05:21:40 PM »
I am interested in the current landscape of alt-az goto mounts bellow $1000. The kind of scopes I am interested in mounting include C8 and ES 102 AR. If dual mounting is possible that's also great.

The only thing I know are the celestron SE or evolution mounts and various versions of the ioptron mini towers. Are there anyting else? If not, which one would you recommend?

Thank you!



Matthew Danielson

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Re: What the best sub 1000 alt-az goto
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2017, 07:04:11 AM »
You could take a look at the Desert Sky Astro DSV-3. I can't say for sure if it will handle the scopes you're wanting to put on it but it handles my TeleVue NP101 + binoviewers + solar filter just fine. It also has dual mounting.

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Re: What the best sub 1000 alt-az goto
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2017, 08:52:07 AM »
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You could take a look at the Desert Sky Astro DSV-3. I can't say for sure if it will handle the scopes you're wanting to put on it but it handles my TeleVue NP101 + binoviewers + solar filter just fine. It also has dual mounting.


Looks nice but the goto option goes well over $2000.

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Re: What the best sub 1000 alt-az goto
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2018, 12:51:52 PM »
Oops, I missed that you were looking at goto. I just have the mount with no DSC's or goto. I didn't even realize goto was an option with this mount.

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Re: What the best sub 1000 alt-az goto
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2018, 02:23:54 PM »
Jeez, now I see it ways goto right in the title of the thread.

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Re: What the best sub 1000 alt-az goto
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2018, 09:53:57 PM »
The evolution mount is way sturdier than the SE mounts. It is not very well suited for long refractors though. Someone did a mod that seems to work.

How to use long refractors on Evolution mount

For the refractor you could use a wedge but then it wouldn't be alt/az, plus the wedge is another $300.

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Re: What the best sub 1000 alt-az goto
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2018, 06:50:18 AM »
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Under $1,000 for a quality mount is going to be tough. The only one I have recent experience with that even comes close is the Skywatcher AZ-EQ5. But it's $1,350. I use it's bigger brother the AZ-EQ6 and recommend it highly if you want GOTO. The 5 in your case. I needed the 6 because I have an AP155 and the 5 wouldn't like it very much. Good news is you can mount both scopes on the same time and really maximize your viewing targets by the combination of wide field APO and narrow view SCT.


If I also needed EQ that would be a good choice. But I don't think I will ever need EQ since I don't intend to do astro-photo. So for me it is just an expensive and super heavy alt-az mount and probably takes longer to set up than others.

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Re: What the best sub 1000 alt-az goto
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2018, 07:27:32 PM »
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The evolution mount is way sturdier than the SE mounts. It is not very well suited for long refractors though. Someone did a mod that seems to work.

How to use long refractors on Evolution mount

For the refractor you could use a wedge but then it wouldn't be alt/az, plus the wedge is another $300.


Thanks, I didn't know there is such a big difference between SE and evolution. How is the backlash in the evolution mount?

As for the OTA, I think the AR 102 is sufficiently short with a sufficiently long bar that this may not be a huge problem.

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Re: What the best sub 1000 alt-az goto
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2018, 02:15:41 PM »
There is a lot of backlash in my 5SE but it's not so bad in my Evolution. I bought the wedge for planetary imaging. I like to make animations and don't want the animation to have field rotation. Also, with my Barlow + ADC + webcam it can't point too high when mounted alt/az. I heard people talking about doing deep sky imaging with it and thought they were nuts but after using it a little I think it might be good enough for that. It should be able to handle an AT72ED + 50mm guider and a G3 CCD. The point is that with worm gears and servo motors it performs pretty good. My 5SE was my most used scope until I got the Evolution.

The gotos are more accurate (Evolution versus SE) with just 2 star align. If you use the wifi your tablet/smart phone will allow you to align on a dozen stars and the gotos become very accurate. I only used the wifi a few times and prefer to just use the hand controller.

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Re: What the best sub 1000 alt-az goto
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2018, 05:57:17 AM »
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There is a lot of backlash in my 5SE but it's not so bad in my Evolution. I bought the wedge for planetary imaging. I like to make animations and don't want the animation to have field rotation. Also, with my Barlow + ADC + webcam it can't point too high when mounted alt/az. I heard people talking about doing deep sky imaging with it and thought they were nuts but after using it a little I think it might be good enough for that. It should be able to handle an AT72ED + 50mm guider and a G3 CCD. The point is that with worm gears and servo motors it performs pretty good. My 5SE was my most used scope until I got the Evolution.

The gotos are more accurate (Evolution versus SE) with just 2 star align. If you use the wifi your tablet/smart phone will allow you to align on a dozen stars and the gotos become very accurate. I only used the wifi a few times and prefer to just use the hand controller.


The wifi stuff sounds cool. Can you use sky safari to control the mount?

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Re: What the best sub 1000 alt-az goto
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2018, 07:58:27 AM »
It seems that many people have been using Sky Safari on the Evolution. I think the Sky Safari people made Sky Portal for Celestron which is a limited version of Sky Safari. Sky Portal is free.

There have been some complaints about the wifi not being all that great on the Evolution. If you use the wifi then you can't use the hand controller for more than pushing the arrow buttons. For example, you can't do a goto with the hand controller if you aligned with the wifi. If you use the arrow buttons on the tablet then you may have problems controlling it. Wild slews have been reported. The recommendation is to always use the buttons on the hand controller instead of the buttons on your tablet. Then use the tablet for everything else.

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Re: What the best sub 1000 alt-az goto
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2018, 08:32:42 PM »
There should be also the new alt/az by iOptron (an improved Minitower PRO).
From what I heard, it should have an optional dual saddle for small OTAs

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Re: What the best sub 1000 alt-az goto
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2018, 04:44:23 AM »
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There should be also the new alt/az by iOptron (an improved Minitower PRO).
From what I heard, it should have an optional dual saddle for small OTAs

thats true. but it seems like the mini tower series have a number of bad reviews... so not sure if this one has all the issues fixed.

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Re: What the best sub 1000 alt-az goto
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2018, 04:46:08 PM »
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There should be also the new alt/az by iOptron (an improved Minitower PRO).
From what I heard, it should have an optional dual saddle for small OTAs

thats true. but it seems like the mini tower series have a number of bad reviews... so not sure if this one has all the issues fixed.

See this link:

https://www.facebook.com/azmountpro/

they just had a slight re-design. This would be my choice for visual only even with my current OTAs

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Re: What the best sub 1000 alt-az goto
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2018, 12:05:25 AM »
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There should be also the new alt/az by iOptron (an improved Minitower PRO).
From what I heard, it should have an optional dual saddle for small OTAs

thats true. but it seems like the mini tower series have a number of bad reviews... so not sure if this one has all the issues fixed.

See this link:

https://www.facebook.com/azmountpro/

they just had a slight re-design. This would be my choice for visual only even with my current OTAs

I guess the new design is focused on fancy techniques automating the alignment procedure. But the issues associated with previous models are mostly mechanical. Such as slipping clutch, etc. So it remains to be seen whether these basic issues are addressed in this new model.

I like the overall idea. If they can make it right it will be a great mount.