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What has happened to large DOB resale?
« on: December 24, 2017, 06:29:07 PM »
I have been seeing an acquaintance seeking to sell a loaded 22" f/4.5 Lockwood/Starmaster over the past month on that other scope listing website free of sale pending.  The cost has been reduced $2k and is a screaming deal.  When Starmaster last made them, they would have sold for about $20k.  What has happened to the large DOB marketplace?



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Re: What has happened to large DOB resale?
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2017, 05:36:37 PM »
Wages are stagnant, yet expenses continue to grow -- especially medical expenses. Such expenses affect the aged which is the bulk of the amateur astronomy demographic.

I guess too much supply for the demand of those that can even afford it...

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Re: What has happened to large DOB resale?
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2017, 03:18:54 PM »
If he was within driving distance, I'd own it by now.

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Re: What has happened to large DOB resale?
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2018, 05:13:49 AM »
Just a wild guess, but 1) these things are big and heavy and expensive to ship, and 2) they are highly customized, and one man's customizations may not appeal to someone else, who would have to undo them and put in his own, leaving holes and patches. It's a lot of money for what may become the base of a DIY project.

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Re: What has happened to large DOB resale?
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2018, 05:07:27 PM »
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Wages are stagnant, yet expenses continue to grow -- especially medical expenses.

Michael Mc. You hit a homerun. Soon every penny of most folks extra income is going to the medical/medical insurance industrial complex. I'd better not get started.

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Re: What has happened to large DOB resale?
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2018, 08:19:39 PM »
That scope is a tremendous bargain, but only for someone that wants a really big scope. The market has been saturated with big Dobs lately and may just be in an inactive phase. The saturation point for such a small market is not difficult to find.

If I was younger I'd snag that one and worry about unloading mine later. It is that good of a buy, for sure - loaded 22" Starmaster/Lockwood for the price of a bare-bones 20" Hubble or 15" Obsession!

All it needs is an upgrade to Nexus DSC @ $450. Serge has the coms to the go-to/tracking drive worked out so it's an easy changeover.

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Re: What has happened to large DOB resale?
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2018, 06:43:15 AM »
It's a buyers market . Too many customize scopes that sell new for alot of money but the resale is now less than 30 %.

This will eventually impact the price of new mirrors and new fully loaded scopes .

It's time to buy used scopes now since the price s are real good .

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Re: What has happened to large DOB resale?
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2018, 01:25:47 AM »
Dang that is a good deal! I paid close to the for my 18" zambuto starmaster several years ago. Without goto as well.

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Re: What has happened to large DOB resale?
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2018, 09:07:45 AM »
I think the market is limited by the nearness of your driving market. I let my Astomart account go inactive to purposely stop buying stuff so I don't know where it is for sale. Sounds like a great large Dob. Scopes near larger populations seem to do better than more rural locations. I know of a nearby Teeter that can be had for a bargain but currently I am not in the market unless I buy a toy hauler RV. My current RV plans work better with my Zambuto 14.5 inch Webster D14. I was willing to drive 4 hours to meet the seller at their home. I drove home the same day so that ended up being a 10 hour trip including the time to inspect and test. The 50% under new savings was worth my time for a 3 years old scope.

If you are willing to wait a year or more and willing to drive a day or so to get the scope, great used bargains will be available. We should be grateful for the new scope buyers who keep the scope makers in business.

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Re: What has happened to large DOB resale?
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2018, 08:16:23 PM »
Same here. Just to far for me to get back across the country for a reasonable cost.

Mostly I think it reflects the state of the economy.

I also believe very fast dobs have had an impact on the slower F ratio dobs. I've seen some of the really big fast dobs sell pretty quick. While the slower ones take for ever.

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Re: What has happened to large DOB resale?
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2018, 01:26:46 AM »
Jeff, this nice starmaster is probably only a few hours from you, interested???

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Re: What has happened to large DOB resale?
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2018, 09:31:14 PM »
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No one has yet mentioned another factor in all of this: astrovideo and astrophotography. I can 'see' more with my little 5" refractor with an inexpensive Atik Infinity camera after a minute or so of imaging than I could ever see naked-eye with a much larger and more expensive OTA. And in color!

Or you could just buy a DVD.
Eat your chips and dip all by your lonesome in the dark.

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Re: What has happened to large DOB resale?
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2018, 06:49:02 AM »
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I have been watching an acquaintance trying to sell a loaded 22" f/4.5 Lockwood/Starmaster over the past month on that other scope listing website with no sale pending. The price has been lowered $2k and is a screaming bargain. When Starmaster last made them, they would have sold for about $20k. What has happened to the large DOB market?

Most of us suffer from Telescope Acquisition Syndrome (TAS). We already have a telescope(s) perfectly suited to what we actually do with a telescope, but we convince ourselves to buy a new telescope by imagining all the wonderful new things we would do and see if we had this or that new telescope, so we buy it.

The honeymoon is wonderful, and we buy all kinds of accessories to complement the new outfit. Then, reality sets in. The new telescope is unsuited to what we actually do with a telescope, and it was expensive. After a suitable, face saving interval, many of us dump them on a saturated market. Hopefully, many of these big Dobs will go to astronomy clubs that can use them.

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Re: What has happened to large DOB resale?
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2018, 07:29:53 AM »
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No one has yet mentioned another factor in all of this: astrovideo and astrophotography. I can 'see' more with my little 5" refractor with an inexpensive Atik Infinity camera after a minute or so of imaging than I could ever see naked-eye with a much larger and more expensive OTA. And in color!
Yet many people today gain a great sense of self satisfaction by looking with their own eye(s) through a telescope at the night sky.

Rather than looking, 1 step removed, at an 8-bit color depth (or less, more if you have an expensive, wide-gamut display)electronic display that shows an image that has been processed through a computer to interpolate what is actually up there in the sky.

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No one has yet mentioned another factor in all of this: astrovideo and astrophotography. I can 'see' more with my little 5" refractor with an inexpensive Atik Infinity camera after a minute or so of imaging than I could ever see naked-eye with a much larger and more expensive OTA. And in color!
Or you could just buy a DVD.
Eat your chips and dip all by your lonesome in the dark.


Heck.
Why spend money on a DVD when you can get online and look at/download free, Public Domain, Hubble Space Telescope images.

But, I'm seriously considering something like theinexpensive Atik Infinity camera for outreach.

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Re: What has happened to large DOB resale?
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2018, 10:20:43 AM »
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No one has yet mentioned another factor in all of this: astrovideo and astrophotography. I can 'see' more with my little 5" refractor with an inexpensive Atik Infinity camera after a minute or so of imaging than I could ever see naked-eye with a much larger and more expensive OTA. And in color!

Or you could just buy a DVD.
Eat your chips and dip all by your lonesome in the dark.

Sorry if I hit a nerve... really didn't mean to. Besides the small refractor, I own 12.5" and 15" Obsessions and enjoy them both tremendously. But because of the astrovideo (and my aging body), I just don't need to go larger and I know there are lots of others who feel the same. Could be part of why the 22" dob hasn't sold yet.... That's all I was saying.

Nah. There's merits to both visual and computer-assisted IMHO. I identify with a lot of ppl's sentiments about having the photons actually hit your eye but then again I'd love to have a video set up and see how much more there can be with a bit of assistance.

But those big dobs, while probably awesome (I've never viewed through one) are a niche within a niche. I'd say be patient.